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Spargelzeit
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 Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: Enigiemand hier wat Afrikaans praat? |
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Dit sal lekker wees om Afrikaanses hier te kry. Ek hoop daar is enige.
Groetnis,
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girl7000
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Hi, I don't speak Afrikaans, but I'd like to learn. And I just about managed to understand the title of this thread, so that's a start!
Nice to meet you.
Je parle un peu de français.
und ein klien bischen deutsch |
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UncleBeer
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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Ik kan een beetje netjes Nederlands (the world's ugliest language!)  |
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Spargelzeit
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Hi, Girl7000! Nice to meet you too.
What is your native language, then?
The good thing about Afrikaans for non-speakers is already reflected in this title: the language has borrowed a lot of stuff from English, such as the use of 'enigiemand' wich is a kind of loan (calque) from English 'anyone'. And since so many people can speak English...
I could teach you some Afrikaans if you want, while you ask and I come up with new things about the lingo. And from one question & bit of info comes the next. I intend to write a reader for people who'd like to learn the language anyway. Und da du schon Deutsch sprichst, wird Afrikaans umso leichter sein. 
And a more structural approach would be Teach Yourself Afrikaans.
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Spargelzeit
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| UncleBeer wrote: | | Ik kan een beetje netjes Nederlands (the world's ugliest language!) |
Believe me, Afrikaans sounds worse
No, it just sounds a bit more staccato than Dutch. The great thing is that speakers of both languages are mutually intelligible (provided that both speakers use the standard varieties of their languages!).
Where did you learn Dutch? |
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girl7000
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| Spargelzeit wrote: | Hi, Girl7000! Nice to meet you too.
What is your native language, then?
The good thing about Afrikaans for non-speakers is already reflected in this title: the language has borrowed a lot of stuff from English, such as the use of 'enigiemand' wich is a kind of loan (calque) from English 'anyone'. And since so many people can speak English...
I could teach you some Afrikaans if you want, while you ask and I come up with new things about the lingo. And from one question & bit of info comes the next. I intend to write a reader for people who'd like to learn the language anyway. Und da du schon Deutsch sprichst, wird Afrikaans umso leichter sein.
And a more structural approach would be Teach Yourself Afrikaans. |
Hi,
My native language is English, but I spent years learning French at school and got some help from my Mother french is her native language. I learnt a little German at school, but only for a year. I still remember some of it though.
It would be great to learn Afrikaans - I will check out the link you gave and see if I can get a beginners book too then I will contact you if I have questions etc. Is this okay?
I would really appreciate your help, I love learning new languages!  |
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Spargelzeit
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| girl7000 wrote: | Hi,
It would be great to learn Afrikaans - I will check out the link you gave and see if I can get a beginners book too then I will contact you if I have questions etc. Is this okay?
I would really appreciate your help, I love learning new languages! |
That makes two of us! Learning languages is great, I agree. It opens up worlds to us. Whole new ways of thinking, and other cultures, etc. I'd be happy to answer your questions and explain anything about the language to you.
There's also a web-site for beginners, but the English link is not working right now: http://home.unilang.org/courses/afrikaans/homeza.html
Wonderlik!
Sien jou later. |
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matheux
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Spargelzeit wrote: | | The great thing is that speakers of both languages are mutually intelligible (provided that both speakers use the standard varieties of their languages!). |
And that they don't talk about meerkats. The Dutch meerkat is a monkey; the Afrikaans meerkat is a standup carnivore. Why either is called a meerkat, I don't know.
Once I went to a raw food meetup and found that a guy there is Afrikaner. I pulled out my pen and said "My pen is in my hand."
Another time I was riding a bus and a bunch of men got on speaking some Germanic language. It took me a long time to figure out that it was Afrikaans, not Dutch. The clues were: 1) they mentioned Limpopo, and 2) I caught some word which in Dutch begins with 'z', but in Afrikaans begins with 's'. |
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Spargelzeit
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| matheux wrote: | | Spargelzeit wrote: | | The great thing is that speakers of both languages are mutually intelligible (provided that both speakers use the standard varieties of their languages!). |
And that they don't talk about meerkats. The Dutch meerkat is a monkey; the Afrikaans meerkat is a standup carnivore. Why either is called a meerkat, I don't know.
Once I went to a raw food meetup and found that a guy there is Afrikaner. I pulled out my pen and said "My pen is in my hand."
Another time I was riding a bus and a bunch of men got on speaking some Germanic language. It took me a long time to figure out that it was Afrikaans, not Dutch. The clues were: 1) they mentioned Limpopo, and 2) I caught some word which in Dutch begins with 'z', but in Afrikaans begins with 's'. |
Exactly. You were observant.
What they call meerkat/mierkat, the Dutch call 'stokstaartje'. And sometimes Afrikaners call the critter 'stokkiestert' too; a nickname. "Stick-tail". They're related to mongooses and to the genet & civet cats.
The confusing thing about Afrikaans for Dutch speakers are these apparent similarities, only to find out that the words in question mean something else. Like seekoei = hippo. But in Dutch 'zeekoe' is a manatee. And a hippo would be in Dutch a 'nijlpaard' (horse of the Nile). One can just imagine the looks on Afrikaans people's faces when Dutch people start talking about going to see the horses on the Nile, in South Africa.
This sentence "My pen is in my hand" is also mentioned as an encouraging sentence in the book that I mentioned up here, for Girl7000.
What is this raw food meetup? I can imagine Afrikaners going there, because they love their raw meat, known as 'biltong'. It consists of long strips of raw, well-seasoned and salty meat that they dry in the open air in the Karoo. You can have beef biltond, kudu biltong, springbuck biltong, and what have you. They than eat it with a tiny biltong knife, or the buy it readily carved into thin slices in a sachet. |
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paolo
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| I have seen recently Forgiveness a South African movie. It was spoken half in English and half in Afrikaan. With some knowledge of German and English I could understand many words of Afrikaan. I was surprised that the blacks speak Afrikaan (while the Afrikaner policeman Coetzee speaks English). As I am a great admirer of Coetzee the writer (I have read all his novels most in English) I was glad to know how to pronounce this name. I enjoyed the movie much. |
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TomD
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| UncleBeer wrote: | | Ik kan een beetje netjes Nederlands (the world's ugliest language!) |
Ik spreek vloeiend Nederlands maar woon er dan ook al mijn hele leven 
 That being said Afrikaans confuses me a bit when spoken. When I can read it I am able to follow quiet good
[joke]UncleBeer if you think Dutch is an ugly language, you obviously haven't heared 'Nederlands met een Brabants accent'[/joke]
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Asha
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| Quote: | | [joke]UncleBeer if you think Dutch is an ugly language, you obviously haven't heared 'Nederlands met een Brabants accent'[/joke] |
I like the Brabants accent. If I had stayed there (I was born in Brabant) I would have talked like that - but we moved to the UK. I really hate the Amsterdam accent. I now speak fluent English and Dutch. English with a Welsh accent and Dutch without an accent.
Afrikaans - Ik kan het verstaan en lezen maar niet spreken. |
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TomD
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| Asha wrote: | | Quote: | | [joke]UncleBeer if you think Dutch is an ugly language, you obviously haven't heared 'Nederlands met een Brabants accent'[/joke] |
I like the Brabants accent. If I had stayed there (I was born in Brabant) I would have talked like that - but we moved to the UK.
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If you can get your hands on it, you should listen to 'Guus Meeuwis' with the song 'Brabant'
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I really hate the Amsterdam accent.
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I now speak fluent English and Dutch. English with a Welsh accent and Dutch without an accent.
Afrikaans - Ik kan het verstaan en lezen maar niet spreken. |
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Spargelzeit
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Hi Asha!
Je schreef:
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I like the Brabants accent. If I had stayed there (I was born in Brabant) I would have talked like that - but we moved to the UK. I really hate the Amsterdam accent. I now speak fluent English and Dutch. English with a Welsh accent and Dutch without an accent.
Afrikaans - Ik kan het verstaan en lezen maar niet spreken. |
I also don't like the Amsterdam accent, although I can speak like a guy from Amsterdam (some accents just rub off on me regardless if I like it ). I think my disliking the Amsterdam accent is partly due to the fact that people who speak like that often think they are very funny. The Amsterdam accent also dominates Dutch radio and television as the Dutch broadcasting companies operate in Hilversum, Aalsmeer, Amstelveen and Amsterdam.
Did you have a Brabant accent when you lived there, or did you never bother to adopt it? |
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Spargelzeit
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| TomD wrote: | | Ik spreek vloeiend Nederlands maar woon er dan ook al mijn hele leven |
Mooi! Bén je dan ook Nederlands?
(je weet maar nooit, teugenwoordig). |
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