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| Yes, but limited like cigarettes, and taxed like hell |
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| No, what would the poor innercity kids do for money |
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| Yes, liiike totally, Dude. Right on. "Free Mary Jane." |
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| Yes, liiike totally, Dude. Right on. "Free Mary Jane." |
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| Don't know, dont care. let me take care of my munchies and cotton mouth, i will get back to ya. |
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| Don't know, dont care. let me take care of my munchies and cotton mouth, i will get back to ya. |
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Remnant
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| psych wrote: | These are quotes from Harry J. Anslinger, the man directly responsible for cannabis prohibition;
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
"marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
"Marijuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing." - bit if a U-turn there!
"Marihuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
"Marijuana is taken by ... musicians. And I'm not speaking about good musicians, but the jazz type." 
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others. The primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races." |
It's worth repeating. Back then "playing the race card" didn't mean the same thing that it does now. As late as the 1930s it was pretty easy to use it to get Congress to pass bills based on fear that the "degenerate races" were going to do something to us. |
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Tekneek
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| Remnant wrote: | | Back then "playing the race card" didn't mean the same thing that it does now. As late as the 1930s it was pretty easy to use it to get Congress to pass bills based on fear that the "degenerate races" were going to do something to us. |
Whatever it takes to inspire fear amongst the politicians and general majority of the population is often used to pass horrible law. It happens every single year. These days the fear mongering is about attaching the "War on Terror" to everything, or speculating that all your children will turn gay and/or marry animals and streetlights if "gay marriage" ever becomes legal. |
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Callista
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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That sort of prejudice could just have been used to do the right thing for the wrong (very wrong) reason, though: Faulty reasoning does not prove a conclusion false--it just means the person doing it isn't being logical.
I think, when discussing this issue, it's best to look at marijuana and what it would do to society today, not what it was thought to do in the 30s.
And, really, we have enough problems with drunk drivers as it is; ending up with stoned drivers as well would really raise the rates of substance-related car accidents.
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Remnant
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| In this case it's the wrong thing and for the wrong reason. Marijuana has never been proven to do significant harm especially compared to tobacco and alcohol. Free use of marijuana would have substantially changed history for the better just for its psychoactive properties if people had even bothered to adopt it. Then we would also have better medicines and better fuel and fiber. |
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MsTriste
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| While I believe marijuana should be legalized, I'm afraid it will never happen in my lifetime, even for medicinal purposes. The reason is that I think the US is just too conservative and is in general resistant to change. They made pot illegal many years ago, and it would be too much of a paradigm shift to change it at this point. Our country seems to be resistant to any kind of change. |
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Remnant
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The illegality of pot and other drugs was a change. How did they make this change come about? |
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Tekneek
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Callista wrote: |
And, really, we have enough problems with drunk drivers as it is; ending up with stoned drivers as well would really raise the rates of substance-related car accidents. |
I agree that the punishment for driving drunk should be more severe and the same would go for "stoned drivers" as well. |
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Tekneek
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| aylissa wrote: | | While I believe marijuana should be legalized, I'm afraid it will never happen in my lifetime, even for medicinal purposes. The reason is that I think the US is just too conservative and is in general resistant to change. |
People are too jacked into the belief that only government can protect them from evil drugs, and the government is too thrilled with the invasive laws they've been able to pass under the guise of the "War on Drugs." To roll those back would greatly diminish the power of the federal government, which they aren't really interested in. For an idea of how powerful the "War on Drugs" has made the government, look at how many times the "Controlled Substances Act" is referenced in the PATRIOT Act. |
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Absolute_Zero
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| The United States Government is infiltrated by corporate terrorists from within. Lobbyist who are funded by pill makers manipulate the laws so profit can win out over safety and testing. These corporations and their paid activists also put a stranglehold on making sure that marijuana is kept forbidden. It's not because it is dangerous, it is because it is a multi-role wonder drug that threatens profits. |
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MsTriste
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When I was doing clinical research, I was obsessed with doing a study of medical marijuana for people with HIV. I spent 6 months trying to get it off the ground. I met with a lot of resistance, most of which was governmental (Federal - not local or state) including our friends, NIDA.
Frankly, I don't think the majority of Americans are bright enough to consider this issue, or many others, rationally. They are stuck in a world of not wanting things to change. Can you think of any radical changes that have happened to our society in the last 75 years? And look at our newest Supreme Court Justice who may threaten abortion rights. One more example of conservatism enabled by an unintelligent and uninformed majority.
It is NOT just about money. |
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Remnant
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: |
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A lot of the resistance is actually malicious. This is a really bad situation for someone to be in when he is an honest person who thinks of arguments as a place to use facts and persuasive arguments based on facts. The motives of the people who perpetuate the prohibition of marijuana are not honest, they are violent, and they won't be persuaded by facts. They will abuse facts. They will take advantage of your honesty when you don't know and admit it, and they will knowingly lie and keep with the program whether you caught them in a lie or not.
This is the kind of thing that has changed my life from a life to a battleground. |
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wandrew
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I have a friend who wrote a paper for college on Harry Anslinger. He was able to get access to Anslinger's papers, which are being kept at Penn State. He found out some amazing stuff. But anyone who reads Jack Herer's book The Emperor Wears No Clothes will find plenty of howlers. (http://www.jackherer.com) It's just as good as watching Reefer Madness (the original--the musical is pretty funny, too, but intentionally).
My all time favorites:
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
And then, a few years later:
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing."
These two were so good I had to repeat them--thanks, Remnant!
And finally (paraphrased from memory):
"If the dread monster Frankenstein were to be shown a marihuana cigarette, he would expire immediately from fright."
Further, deponent sayeth not. |
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Remnant
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't knock it, Wandrew. Anslinger earned himself quite a job with prestige, power, wealth, his choice of underage prostitutes, and so on. |
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wandrew
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| Remnant wrote: | | Don't knock it, Wandrew. Anslinger earned himself quite a job with prestige, power, wealth, his choice of underage prostitutes, and so on. |
And died virtually forgotten at age 83 with diabetes and major organ failure. Of course, Yul Brynner died of lung cancer and *he* didn't live like a librarian.  |
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Remnant
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| Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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In other words, the man caused major damage to society and the ideals of freedom and he died in bed at a ripe old age, having lived past the age when many men are done with life.
The spit that needs to be spat on his grave would raise the level of the oceans by at least ten feet. |
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