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Roxas_XIII
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Bullshit. Obviously this lady wouldn't know what Asperger's is if it hit her in the face. I'm diagnosed. I have friends... not many, and its hard to make new ones, but I do. Apparently this baka thinks having one friend in life disqualifies you from an Aspergers diagnosis.
I would be sarcastic, saying how I just LOOVE people who take gray-area guidelines for diagnosis of a condition, especially one like Aspergers, and turn them into blackwhite are-or-aren't absolutes... but I'd be LYING. It's bullshit and it pisses me off.
I would ask where said counselor got her degree in Psychology, then call the accreditation commitee and tell them they need to stop endorsing that schools Psychology curriculm, because any psychologist with a degree should know that there is no clear threshold when diagnosing a mental illness. Seriously lady, get an education!
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visagrunt
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Normally, I don't support "psychologist shopping" to find the diagnosis you want. If a clinical psychologist rejects diagnosis for clinically sound reasons (generally offering up an alternative diagnosis that is consistent with the symptoms presented), then I would suggest that there's a reasonable conclusion.
But here I get the impression that there is a failure to distinguish between a person's coping skills and the underlying deficit that predicates the need for those skills.
An adult seeking help will have worked through their childhood and adolescence, and will have developed (either on their own, or with help) skills to address the behaviours that inhibit them. So an adult presenting herself to a psychologist for assessment is going to run up against the, "well, you've made it this far," issue. If the underlying deficit isn't an impediment to daily living, do you qualify for diagnosis?
Just because you have kept a small number of friends, for example, does not mean that you do not have a social impediment for which you have had to compensate.
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sinsboldly
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| visagrunt wrote: | Normally, I don't support "psychologist shopping" to find the diagnosis you want. If a clinical psychologist rejects diagnosis for clinically sound reasons (generally offering up an alternative diagnosis that is consistent with the symptoms presented), then I would suggest that there's a reasonable conclusion.
But here I get the impression that there is a failure to distinguish between a person's coping skills and the underlying deficit that predicates the need for those skills.
An adult seeking help will have worked through their childhood and adolescence, and will have developed (either on their own, or with help) skills to address the behaviours that inhibit them. So an adult presenting herself to a psychologist for assessment is going to run up against the, "well, you've made it this far," issue. If the underlying deficit isn't an impediment to daily living, do you qualify for diagnosis?
Just because you have kept a small number of friends, for example, does not mean that you do not have a social impediment for which you have had to compensate. |
so is our condition only predicated on what we are not like and when we become more like we are not, then we don't have our condition any more? Or is it that we have learned to limp and hobble along on our own and after all. . .what more can we expect?
or did I read you wrong?
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Graelwyn
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Yep, had same issue.
Was diagnosed with social anxiety, OCD, bipolar...anything but aspergers basically, in spite of girls who had known me at school and who are now in the health profession telling me they realised ages ago I had aspergers.
the reason the shrink gave for my not having aspergers?
1) He said aspergers people dont have a desire to make friends.
2) he said people with AS only have 1 or 2 interests, no more during their life.
LOL. I did point out I knew plenty of people with AS who wanted friends, but had issues establishing friendships etc. |
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Maggiedoll
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: Re: so my counselor says i don't have aspergers... |
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| sugarmama wrote: | | Is it possible i have aspergers and situational depression?? |
I think Asperger's frequently causes situational depression. Aspies are much more likely to be in crummy situations that get them depressed, not to mention frequently lacking a decent support network.
| Graelwyn wrote: | | 1) He said aspergers people dont have a desire to make friends. |
That's flat-out crap. One of the biggest things that differentiates AS from classical autism is that aspies DO have the desire to make friends.. It's the ability that's lacking.
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LipstickKiller
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Maggiedoll, I agree that wanting friends does not exclude an AS diagnosis, but I have never heard that wanting friends makes someone aspie rather than HFA. What's your source? |
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Mysty
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| LipstickKiller wrote: | | Maggiedoll, I agree that wanting friends does not exclude an AS diagnosis, but I have never heard that wanting friends makes someone aspie rather than HFA. What's your source? |
Well, at least from what I recall (and I don't remember where I read this), it's not that it makes someone an aspie rather than HFA. It's not how a diagnosis is made. But it's a difference that tends to be seen.
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Maggiedoll
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| Mysty wrote: | | LipstickKiller wrote: | | Maggiedoll, I agree that wanting friends does not exclude an AS diagnosis, but I have never heard that wanting friends makes someone aspie rather than HFA. What's your source? |
Well, at least from what I recall (and I don't remember where I read this), it's not that it makes someone an aspie rather than HFA. It's not how a diagnosis is made. But it's a difference that tends to be seen. |
That.. lol, I don't remember where it was, and I don't know if it's that that's actually the distinction between AS and HFA, because as far as I know, there is no consensus as to the difference between AS and HFA. (And aren't they eliminating names in the next DSM and making it an actual spectrum anyways?) I think it was more an observed behavior thing, just that most of the people traditionally diagnosed with autism didn't seek seek relationships, while they're only now observing that people towards the less severe end of the spectrum desire relationships but don't know how to form them. I think I meant more that the desire to make friends isn't seen as eliminating the possibility of an ASD anymore, where in the past it was.. but in that past, AS didn't exist (officially) anyway.
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