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skafather84
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| Jaythefordman wrote: | I've always found it interesting that only 5% of Americans hold a passport, and yet as a whole seems to be all too ready to express an opinion on the rest of the world.
Hell, the scariest moment was finding out that Sarah Palin had never held a passport, and was aiming to be vice president! |
I never really have had an opportunity to use one so I've never picked one up. International travel costs a lot of money and takes up a lot of time. Things I can't afford to lose on frivolous travel.
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Jacoby
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Yea traveling overseas is really expensive and I would think a big hassle. It's different for Europeans who live in much smaller countries(in area and population) who are only a few hours away from each other |
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Jaythefordman
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Overseas travel has never been cheaper 
Thats my point, its the 'I can't be bothered/too expensive/no care etc' vast majority (95%) that allows a collective ignorance to pervade a country that has in the past determined a foreign policy that has done little more than alienate most of the world.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Jaythefordman wrote: | Overseas travel has never been cheaper
Thats my point, its the 'I can't be bothered/too expensive/no care etc' vast majority (95%) that allows a collective ignorance to pervade a country that has in the past determined a foreign policy that has done little more than alienate most of the world.
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It's also expensive for me and I don't see your point with correlating it to the excuse that I don't care.
I can't be bothered to me sounds like we should be bothering to travel overseas even though some of us let alone can't afford healthcare.
Lame man and besides not all of us like what our country has done with our foreign policy. I agree our country's pretty f**** up for what it's done but to generalize American people as whole is just ridiculous given the diverse people and different sh** were in.
I don't know but just my 2 cents...
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Jaythefordman
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I was making some generalisations to make a point. I understand that overseas travel is not the domain for everyone, and that for many its simply out of reach.
However, backing up my statement is that there are statistics that show the US has one of the least travelled populations for any developed nation. My point being is that the outside world certainly sees the US as unworldly yet quite free to judge from the perceived gilded towers of the hallowed US of A. Any US citizens while overseas have certainly been seen acting this way. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: |
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What about travel within the country? It's a big, diverse place.
Not as diverse as Europe, but that's because the states haven't sat there, hating each other for centuries. |
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Jaythefordman
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| X_Parasite wrote: | What about travel within the country? It's a big, diverse place.
Not as diverse as Europe, but that's because the states haven't sat there, hating each other for centuries. |
You can't get away from the general sameness thats present within a country, sometimes you have to get out and view from without and from the eyes others.
Thats said, those from louisiana are different from Texans, who are different from ohio and so on. I find that each state is almost a seperate country within a country, its bizarre. Give the US a couple of hundred years and the states will start hating each other |
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Orwell
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From my home, I can travel probably 300 miles in any direction without needing a passport. Until a few years ago (when travel to Canada was restricted), I would have had to go over 1500 miles to reach the nearest place that required a passport. How far does the typical European have to travel before they need a passport to go further?
| Jaythefordman wrote: | | X_Parasite wrote: | What about travel within the country? It's a big, diverse place.
Not as diverse as Europe, but that's because the states haven't sat there, hating each other for centuries. |
You can't get away from the general sameness thats present within a country, sometimes you have to get out and view from without and from the eyes others.
Thats said, those from louisiana are different from Texans, who are different from ohio and so on. I find that each state is almost a seperate country within a country, its bizarre. Give the US a couple of hundred years and the states will start hating each other |
Georgia and New York may as well be different countries, the only "general sameness" is that they both speak some variant of English and accept dollars as currency. And our states already hate each other, but unlike Europe, we only had to fight one war to settle the question of who was better.
By the way, why do foreigners simultaneously b***h about stupid American tourists, and denigrate Americans in general for not spending enough time abroad?
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X_Parasite
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Having been to Europe, I've actually noticed quite a lot of similarity.
1. A city was still a city.
2. In Denmark, they all spoke English.
3. There's no escaping American brands...
However, these similarities made certain differences apparent.
1. The cities had counter-intuitive street layouts, with names that changed too often.
2. In Germany, many of them didn't speak English. (seems to depend upon generation)
3. Sometimes, the American products had different names. (Diet Coke is Coke Light.)
Perhaps, though, it's a matter of perspective. Seeing something different, I found what was similar. My dad claims to have found London to be more foreign than Paris. |
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaythefordman wrote: | Overseas travel has never been cheaper
Thats my point, its the 'I can't be bothered/too expensive/no care etc' vast majority (95%) that allows a collective ignorance to pervade a country that has in the past determined a foreign policy that has done little more than alienate most of the world.
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How in the eff does "too expensive" fit in with "can't be bothered" and "no care"? I don't know about you but I have bills to pay and have to be able to afford my life. I also don't have time to take off even more than 2 days. I've finally just recently been able to get a second day off in the week.
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skafather84
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaythefordman wrote: | | X_Parasite wrote: | What about travel within the country? It's a big, diverse place.
Not as diverse as Europe, but that's because the states haven't sat there, hating each other for centuries. |
You can't get away from the general sameness thats present within a country, sometimes you have to get out and view from without and from the eyes others.
Thats said, those from louisiana are different from Texans, who are different from ohio and so on. I find that each state is almost a seperate country within a country, its bizarre. Give the US a couple of hundred years and the states will start hating each other |
Probably. Los Angeles is way different from New Orleans is worlds apart from Dallas is worlds apart from Orlando. Different dialect, different laws, different culture.
Not sure what you mean by sameness, though. If you mean monoculture...that's pervasive pretty much the world over.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaythefordman wrote: | I've always found it interesting that only 5% of Americans hold a passport, and yet as a whole seems to be all too ready to express an opinion on the rest of the world.
Hell, the scariest moment was finding out that Sarah Palin had never held a passport, and was aiming to be vice president! |
I tend to agree. There's only so much that can be learned from books, TV, and the internet. It's never a good idea to pass judgement on a place that you've never actually visited (that works both ways). Field trips are important for grown-ups too! I'm almost ashamed that my only experience with international travel was a brief trip to Niagra Falls. I hope to change that one day, but now I'm struggling to pay my health insurance premiums. My copays and deductibles are going up again in 2 weeks  . |
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Jaythefordman
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| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| skafather84 wrote: |
How in the eff does "too expensive" fit in with "can't be bothered" and "no care"? I don't know about you but I have bills to pay and have to be able to afford my life. I also don't have time to take off even more than 2 days. I've finally just recently been able to get a second day off in the week. |
I put it all in the same basket because if travel was high enough in your value system you will find a way to do it. Words like "too expensive", "not enough time" , and "I have bills to pay" are all just excuses. Why not say you don't care to travel? Thats the deep down honest answer.
Whch of course brings me to my point.
I myself have travelled fairly extensively, and have learnt so much from my experiences. It really brings many things into perspective.
I appreciate it, and I am fortunate enough to manage things to enable me to do it. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Jaythefordman wrote: | | I put it all in the same basket because if travel was high enough in your value system you will find a way to do it. Words like "too expensive", "not enough time" , and "I have bills to pay" are all just excuses. Why not say you don't care to travel? Thats the deep down honest answer. |
I have no pressing need to travel abroad, and while I would like to visit other countries, I have other priorities that take precedence. Paying for my education, for example, is more important to me than visiting Europe.
That good enough for you?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| Jaythefordman wrote: | I was making some generalisations to make a point. I understand that overseas travel is not the domain for everyone, and that for many its simply out of reach.
However, backing up my statement is that there are statistics that show the US has one of the least travelled populations for any developed nation. My point being is that the outside world certainly sees the US as unworldly yet quite free to judge from the perceived gilded towers of the hallowed US of A. Any US citizens while overseas have certainly been seen acting this way. |
Then why should we travel?
I mean I don't want to fit into those "statistics". As far as unworldy is concerned, I agree that being there is much more honest experience than reading about it. But do you actually think that many of us don't want to be bothered by it?
Are you implying that most of us just want to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world and not travel?
You have no idea how many people I hear say where they'd love to go..Egypt, India, England, Ireland, Germany...etc. I myself have long dreamed of travelling. For most of us who don't fit the ubber class b/c we're busy working our tails off while getting an educationg. This is almost impossible unless a friend or someone would be willing to help pay for the trip.
For some of us, it is seen as a luxury rather than a job. I don't mean the type of luxury where you save enough money to buy something a bit pricey or out of your budget...I mean pricey $$$$. So the excuse of we don't want to be bothered by....eems laughable at least to me. I agree, being there is more of a learning experience than studying about it. But it is a one way trip to debt and for me my trailer.
Do you see where some of us our coming from?
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