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Phoenix
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 Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: |
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True, people who set up systems are not creative, what do you expect from aspies. Windows default is blank, and that works for a password.
What I know of government systems is they all start with the warning screen.
Being dumb machines run by government workers, more than a few have username and password as username and password. It is something they can remember.
Until recently they sold them with hard drive, which was protected, unless put in another machine, then it would open right up. That much was needed just to Format C, now D, now they pull the hard drives.
Since this has become a tug of war between nations, perhaps the proper venue is The World Court.
Maintaining an attractive nusance, is a defense, owners are required to fence and lock a swimming pool.
Contributory neglegence is another defense, burglers have sued and won for being injured by falling through a hole in the floor on a construction site. Contractors must secure the site, and all inturnel hazards.
My patent for an auto anti theft device using poison gas was refused, so is setting up a shotgun at the window a burgler would use, or even a hit man. Yet you can still kill people wandering around in your house, but only if uninvited.
Entrapment is another defense, if a potential crime was left open to happen, just to catch people who would act on the oppertunity.
This would put the burden of proof on the United States to show that their computer system had the highest possible protection, and Gary had to use superhuman efforts to get in. He did in fact have an eleven digit alpha/numeric security code. Security cannot be violated if there is none.
An unlocked window or door is not breaking and entering, it is in fact an invitation. As we say, padlocks are to keep honest people out. Human curiosity is a fact of nature. Tests have been run on buttons labled DO NOT PUSH THIS BUTTON, it gets pushed, the same with doors labled DO NOT ENTER, they will open them and look in, which the sign said nothing about.
Under Double Jepordy, a person once tried cannot be tried again for the same crime, and a quick World Court trial would do. They do take Human Rights cases.
Take this case to the Eurozone, NATO Headquarters, where putting the Americans in their place is standard business. England and America are Pop Government Cultures, and besides, your lawyers wear wigs and eat kippers for breakfast. |
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pandd
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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"I will continue to disrupt things at the highest level", says I have done so in the past. |
But does not confirm it.
My flag boy and your flag boy sitting by the fire, my flag boy said to your flag boy “I’m gonna set your flag on fire”. Talk about hey now.
If someone I know is a pauper, tells me that he is a billionaire and has a huge penis, this might suggest to you that it is likely this person has a huge penis, but to me it indicates he is a lying bragger, and I ought not believe boastful claims about his anatomy are necessarily any more true than his lying boasts about his wealth.
When someone who had nothing whatsoever to do with the “security lapses” around 9/11 claims to have been responsible for these and then brags they’ll cause even more of the same in the future, I actually find it less likely that they are a threat than if they’d never said anything. A boast set beside a lying boast, is one of the least credible kinds of statements known to human communication.
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AS is the weakest of Gary's defenses, Being British makes slightly more sense, but we have never judged anyone "Not guilty due to being British." |
The fact that he was not anywhere within the legal jurisdiction of the US, is not and has never been a legal citizen of the US, and has never been within the legal jurisdiction of the US actually seems a very good defence to any crime being prosecuted in the US by the US. The US is not a world court. If they want someone outside their jurisdiction tried for acts committed while this person was not within their jurisdiction, and this person is not currently in their jurisdiction, and is not nor has ever been their citizen, then they should do this through the auspices of some authority that has appropriate jurisdiction in the UK. The US do not, and frankly I cannot differentiate between those that signed a treaty granting inappropriate jurisdiction over the UK and UK citizens to some foreign power that has its own discrete interests, and traitors to the people of and entity known as “the UK”. The US sure as heck would not allow any other nation such power of it, and that is well and fitting. But neither should the US have, or seek to exercise such power over others. The whole thing is morally repugnant. UK citizens get no say or representation in setting US law, so unless they travel to the US or its physical jurisdiction, they should not be answerable to it. If there were any force or real sentiment behind the US claims to love freedom and democracy, they would not want this kind of repulsive power over people who have no voice, and no representation in deciding such laws. Being held to standards you have no scope to be involved in the setting of is not freedom, it’s not democratic, it’s tryanny. | Quote: |
Mental state has never had anything to do with the facts of a case, only post conviction treatment. |
While increasingly erroded, the concept of mens rea (that is whether or not one’s mind is guilty) has traditionally been an important concept in US jurisprudence. If you do not believe me due a lack of familiarity with basic legal concepts of the common law tradition, and lack of familiarity with your own law and legal systems’ principles of justice,(as a US citizen), you are more than welcome to google the “mens rea, US law”; you need not take my word for it.
By it’s very nature, the concept of mens rea makes a defendant’s mental state at time of the acts or omissions (with which they are charged) a relevant fact to be decided at trial.
| Quote: | | He admits to trying to steal our alien technology, and our Alien Overlords said, "We are not amused." |
| Quote: | | Send Gary, before the Overlords take care of it themselves. |
“England” probably dos not have too much to worry about on that score.
Overlords are only lords of over. This might be impressive by some scales, but it’s nothing next to the kick ass potential of being a lord of time, which is not only over everything, but also under everything, next to everything, around everything, through everything and all encompassing of everything. As anyone who has seen Dr Who knows, Time Lords are most friendly with the Brits, and so likely to side with them against the much pettier Overlords.
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Now how does Gary come to know the password of someone working DoD? That is not something to be found just looking around.
Here he is impersonating someone with security clearance, knows their password, username, and again, this is beyond a simple looking around on an open system. |
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Some I picked up here, such as he was caught logging in when the real person who's username and password he used was on line. |
And from this you chose to infer that he had somehow, through some mysterious means, necessarily gotten this information in some way that requires explanation? The problem with this is that the information does not in any way refute Gary’s prior explanation about the password and username. These things have a default setting. If some “real person” does not change these defaults, then that “real person” has the defaults as their username and password. It is Gary’s claim that he speculated some “real person” with access might have been stupid enough to not change the defaults for username and password, and that trying the defaults could conceivably gain him access, so he tried the defaults for username and password (which apparently are “username” and “password”), and gained access that way.
He might well be lying about that, but the information which you claim to have used to arrive at your conclusions does not offer any indication as to that one way or another. Nothing about that information gives any cause to conclude that Gary had the username and password by some means other than having tried “username” and “password” in these fields, on the random chance that someone with authority to access this oh so top secret information, would be casual enough in their attitudes towards its security as to not take the most basic and fundamental of security precautions.
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Also I find his comments about the thousands that died on 9/11 to be in poor taste. |
I find toilet humour in movies to be poor taste, and also the movie “Poor Taste”. That does not mean that Hollywood script writers, directors and producers who put toilet humour in their movies should be slapped in prison, or even across the face with a wet fish, nor does it mean Peter Jackson should have been put in prison instead funded to produce a mega blockbust multi academy award winning trilogy featuring a bunch of hairy toed midgets.
Poor taste and criminal acts are not necessarily the same thing; for which fact I expect Madonna, Britney Spears, and Paris Hilton (among a legion of others) are all rather relieved. |
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Jurisdiction is not a strong point. We are bringing in a hundred this year from Mexico, a mix of those who fled, and thaose who were never here, but arranged crimes.
The only defense I see is, Was there security?
Default is blank, on a list of common passwords, sex and god topped the list.
In response, longer passwords were required, and that is when username and password became common. Other systems post the username, and the same is often the password.
To combat this human trait, a number was required. username+1 is the most common.
Minimum security is a seven digit alpha/numeric that is case sensitive.
If the screen says, enter username and password, and you do, and it lets you in, there is no security against people who take things literally.
I have no idea how he got in, what he did, but the claim of security breach should have to show that there was security.
It was the government of the UK that signed these agreements, complain to them. |
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Yup I don't like the government's signing of these agreements as well ---
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pandd
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| Inventor wrote: | | Jurisdiction is not a strong point. |
A necessary implication of such an assertion is that “due process” and “rule of law” are not strong points.
If this is an accurate assertion with respect to the US justice system, then the UK has an even stronger duty to resist extradition. The UK should not be extraditing anyone to any nation that does not uphold the same values of due process and rule of law that the UK’s justice system and constitution is allegedly premised on. |
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Our Government is allegedly premised.
Those we bring in from Mexico will not be killed, for Mexico does not let the law do that, it is done in the streets by the police.
Altogether, Government is a racket like religion, who pretends to protect the faithful while shearing them.
I have been calling for replacing the government, but the sheep are sheep.
Italy just arrested 23 Americans for kidnapping and torture.
The fun is just starting. |
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