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gramirez
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| Orwell wrote: | | but the Mac is a nice platform with a lot to offer, especially for non-technical users. |
...and always has been. 
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Fuzzy
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| Celtic_Frost wrote: | Gee, I haven put this much pointless thought into buying the computer that I currently have now. I bought a Compaq Presario from HP's website that has an AMD Athlon X2 processor, 3 GB of memory, 320 GB hard drive, and Vista for 400 USD. I bought a 140 USD Acer 22" monitor, upgraded the power supply of the computer, installed an EVGA 9500GT, removed all of the bloatware, and the computer is performing great. I have used both Windows Vista and Linux Mint (much better than Ubuntu IMO) and I am very satisfied with my computer.
You can all go on and on and on and on about Macs and how great they are and how much better they are than PC's, or you can get your heads out of your asses for once and realize that it's all about the software that works on the operating systems. Problem is, too many idiots who played around with a defective Dell and wasted their money on a Mac thinking that it's so much better often have too much time on their hands to argue and try to get everyone to get a Mac.
If I wanted a Mac so badly, I would make a Hackintosh PC. Too bad my Compaq has an AMD processor, but I digress. I rather be on Windows anyday! That way, I don't have to miss out on anything software-related! That's my opinion.
Oh just look at me! Now I'm the same as you morons are! Arguing and fussing about what OS is better. Make up your minds and stop trying to manipulate people into joining your little "entity". I buy whatever computer has what I want for the lowest price and that's that! If your PC screws up, stop blaming Microsoft! Blame either the manufacture of your computer or blame yourself! 
Or go back to DOS.
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You sounds threatened when another person gets encouragement to switch away from your favourite operating system. Does your dad make his living from Windows products?
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Celtic_Frost
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Fuzzy wrote: | | Celtic_Frost wrote: | Gee, I haven put this much pointless thought into buying the computer that I currently have now. I bought a Compaq Presario from HP's website that has an AMD Athlon X2 processor, 3 GB of memory, 320 GB hard drive, and Vista for 400 USD. I bought a 140 USD Acer 22" monitor, upgraded the power supply of the computer, installed an EVGA 9500GT, removed all of the bloatware, and the computer is performing great. I have used both Windows Vista and Linux Mint (much better than Ubuntu IMO) and I am very satisfied with my computer.
You can all go on and on and on and on about Macs and how great they are and how much better they are than PC's, or you can get your heads out of your asses for once and realize that it's all about the software that works on the operating systems. Problem is, too many idiots who played around with a defective Dell and wasted their money on a Mac thinking that it's so much better often have too much time on their hands to argue and try to get everyone to get a Mac.
If I wanted a Mac so badly, I would make a Hackintosh PC. Too bad my Compaq has an AMD processor, but I digress. I rather be on Windows anyday! That way, I don't have to miss out on anything software-related! That's my opinion.
Oh just look at me! Now I'm the same as you morons are! Arguing and fussing about what OS is better. Make up your minds and stop trying to manipulate people into joining your little "entity". I buy whatever computer has what I want for the lowest price and that's that! If your PC screws up, stop blaming Microsoft! Blame either the manufacture of your computer or blame yourself!
Or go back to DOS.
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You sounds threatened when another person gets encouragement to switch away from your favourite operating system. Does your dad make his living from Windows products? |
Well, I don't like it when people tell utter bullcrap about PC's and are pro-Mac when the only important difference between the two are the OS's and encourage someone to buy an expensive computer for no good reason. HELLO?!?
And you shouldn't try to bring up anyone's family members right out of the blue unless you want to start something personal with that person (me).
All I will say is a $2000 iMac w/ Core 2 Duo is easily beaten by a $1000 HP w/ a Core i7. That's the power of logic and that's why I am a PC. |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Celtic_Frost wrote: | | Well, I don't like it when people tell utter bullcrap about PC's and are pro-Mac when the only important difference between the two are the OS's and encourage someone to buy an expensive computer for no good reason. HELLO?!? |
The OS is a good reason for many people. Especially for the last few years, when MS was pushing the abomination known as Vista.
| Quote: | | All I will say is a $2000 iMac w/ Core 2 Duo is easily beaten by a $1000 HP w/ a Core i7. That's the power of logic and that's why I am a PC. |
1) That's not the price difference. The new Core 2 Duo iMac (at 3.06GHz) is $1200, which is a far cry from $2000. Also, this is a complete system, unlike the HP where you have to buy keyboard, mouse, and monitor separately.
2) HP computers are shoddily put together crap with mismatched components. And HP is notorious for miserable to nonexistent customer support.
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Fuzzy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Celtic_Frost wrote: | | Fuzzy wrote: |
You sounds threatened when another person gets encouragement to switch away from your favourite operating system. Does your dad make his living from Windows products? |
Well, I don't like it when people tell utter bullcrap about PC's and are pro-Mac when the only important difference between the two are the OS's and encourage someone to buy an expensive computer for no good reason. HELLO?!?
And you shouldn't try to bring up anyone's family members right out of the blue unless you want to start something personal with that person (me).
All I will say is a $2000 iMac w/ Core 2 Duo is easily beaten by a $1000 HP w/ a Core i7. That's the power of logic and that's why I am a PC. |
Calling everyone the magic word 'moron' made it personal.
You took such effrontery to someone looking for encouragement to try something new that it seemed likely that it was detrimental to your livelihood. A glance at your age showed you are likely to young for that to be true, so I posited that perhaps another breadwinner in your household was concerned about job security.
If that was a mistake, it was only because you jumped into the topic with such vitriol and many bad assumptions.
For the truth is, if I had an agenda in advising the original poster, I would tell them to use linux, which is what I favour. Most of those that have chimed in with help favour linux too, but none of us felt the need to desperately claw for users.
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computerlove
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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^ fuzzy, you don't have to give the noob any explanation. As always, your such a gentleman.
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Redrocket
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks again everyone! I think one of the key items that will finalize my decision on whether or not to buy a Mac or a new PC is to sit down in front of a Mac and play around with it myself. As all of you can relate (as Aspies) change is difficult. I never used a Mac before I always used Windows based PCs. I think if I sit down and find a Mac (maybe at a Apple Store or even a Mac Lab in the college I work for) I'll see if I can handle the differences.
By the way, not to change the topic but has anyone used Microsoft Windows 7 yet? If you have, how is it? Hopefully it's better than Vista because that was a total horrorshow. |
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Orwell
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| Redrocket wrote: | | By the way, not to change the topic but has anyone used Microsoft Windows 7 yet? If you have, how is it? Hopefully it's better than Vista because that was a total horrorshow. |
It's based on the same core as Vista, but they cleaned it up and made it better. It is marginally faster, but not dramatically faster than Vista. Still, a new, modern machine would run it just fine. Since it's based on the same core as Vista (less of a change than from XP to Vista) the transition will be far less painful in terms of broken device drivers and incompatible software. They added several nice features from a UI perspective, but I can't comment much on that since I haven't gotten to play with it very much. Everyone I know who's tried Windows 7 has a positive opinion on it, but for me it wouldn't install properly.
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CloudWalker
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| Orwell wrote: | | Everyone I know who's tried Windows 7 has a positive opinion on it, but for me it wouldn't install properly. |
On a mac? Hehe, too bad you'll have to wait for Apple to update bootcamp.
btw, they already said that only newer macs will be supported. So if your mac is > 2yrs old, you may be out of luck. I wonder what ppl would say of Dell or HP if the same thing happens. |
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Orwell
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| CloudWalker wrote: | On a mac? Hehe, too bad you'll have to wait for Apple to update bootcamp.
btw, they already said that only newer macs will be supported. So if your mac is > 2yrs old, you may be out of luck. I wonder what ppl would say of Dell or HP if the same thing happens. |
It was before the bootcamp upgrade when I last tried- as of Snow Leopard bootcamp does officially support Windows 7, but I haven't bothered trying it again yet. Any Intel-based Mac can run Snow Leopard, and anything with Snow Leopard can bootcamp Windows 7.
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CloudWalker
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| Orwell wrote: | | Any Intel-based Mac can run Snow Leopard, and anything with Snow Leopard can bootcamp Windows 7. |
Not if this article is true. |
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gramirez
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Snow Leopard sucks - no AppleTalk.
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Celtic_Frost
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Oh well, I guess ignorance wins after all. Like the n00b I am, I am outta here!
[noobiness]Windows and Linux FTW!!! Apple SUX!!! LOL!!! XD[/noobiness] |
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Redrocket
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When shopping for a new computer, whether it be Mac or PC, what should one look for in a processor, hard drive and memory besides capacity? I'm aware of there's something else but I don't remember what its.
By the way, what kind of internet services does everyone here have (DSL, Cable...)? I have Verizon DSL, I'm from NYC by the way.
Thanks again for everyone's help with this! |
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zer0netgain
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| Redrocket wrote: | When shopping for a new computer, whether it be Mac or PC, what should one look for in a processor, hard drive and memory besides capacity? I'm aware of there's something else but I don't remember what its.
By the way, what kind of internet services does everyone here have (DSL, Cable...)? I have Verizon DSL, I'm from NYC by the way.
Thanks again for everyone's help with this! |
Boy, you know how to ask a loaded question, don't you? 
There is NO SINGLE BEST ANSWER for your question, and I just bought the hardware for a new system.
I wanted a powerful PC that would last me 5+ years easily. I do video production work so power is key. I went with an Intel i7 Quad because it's at the top. Didn't buy the $1,000 CPU, but the $250 one. When the high end ones come down in price, I could always upgrade the CPU with a faster one. The slowest Intel i7 Quad will blow the doors of most anything else out there.
However, if you do nothing but basic office software and web surfing, that's overkill.
Clearly, since they went to dual core CPUs to get more speed at less power, you'll want to go with a dual core CPU, but I'd need to do a lot of research to see what is more than enough BASED ON YOUR NEEDS. If you like doing PC games, you'll need something on the higher end, otherwise something on the low end might be great for many years of use.
Hard drives should be at least 7,200 rpm because that does matter. They have 10,000 rpm models, but they are pricey. SATA is the minimum interface you want because 3.0 GHz/sec transfer rates really cut lag time in loading documents and doing stuff that caches to the HDD.
Memory should be a brand that is rated as quality. You don't have to spend $$$, but dirt cheap memory is often not that good deal. If you plan to overclock your system (up the power settings to get faster speeds) you have to pay for better quality parts which will withstand the stress of that being done.
Now that Windows 7 is out, here's the skinny....
RAM - Have at least 3 GB. Under XP, having 2 GB was more than enough. If you run a 32-bit OS (Vista and Win7 come in both 32 and 64-bit platforms), you can not employ more than 4 GB of total RAM in your system. If you want to be able to use more than 4 GB, you must go with 64-bit. For Win7 and Vista, 3 GB is enough for the system to run well without exhausting the RAM on the board to do most common functions.
OS - Might as well go Win7 on a new system. Get the 32/64-bit version based on the amount of RAM you plan to install.
HDD - Have at least 500 GB. 1TB might be overkill and impossible to backup. Unless you have LOTS of music, video, etc. on the HDD, 500GB is quite a bit to fill up.
VIDEO - You didn't mention this, but video is tied to what you plan to do. Gaming requires a better card than most MBs will come with if the video is integrated onto the board. How good a card depends on how much you like in terms of quality and what size monitor you are using. LCD displays have fairly fixed resolutions and a more powerful card is needed to get quality on a larger display.
If you post up what kind of purposes you have in mind for a PC, we can better suggest what type of hardware you should look for. |
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