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anna-banana
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| WhiskeyInTheJar wrote: | | anna-banana wrote: | | Western men should be thankful that muslims are such bastards towards women, they make them look really good by comparison. |
This is a generalisation. Possibly even racist. |
ok let me rephrase this:
<sarcasm>Western men should be thankful that muslims are such bastards towards women, they make them look really good by comparison.</sarcasm>
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| WhiskeyInTheJar wrote: | | anna-banana wrote: | | Western men should be thankful that muslims are such bastards towards women, they make them look really good by comparison. |
This is a generalisation. Possibly even racist. |
Yet there are so many racist generalizations you've made of asian women thus far and one in here.
Hmmmm....do I smell hypocricy... 
BTW, what does east and west have to do with race?
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To begin, gender roles and behaviour social rules apply heavily in latin cultures whereas in American culture the woman has become a man with tits (not to offend but this is a literal quote Ive heard from many latinos living in the US and I agree that for the most part this is true).
Hence, an American woman on the receiving end of the smallest socially expected gesture in latin culture (aka the opening of the door for a lady) to her seems like a big act of chivalry. To a latin woman, it is a friendly gesture that is not demanded of the guy but it does show her that he wasn't taught manners by his family... but thats about it.
An American man on the other hand, raised in a culture where woman=man .. there's no need nor social rule to open the door ... the door will be opened by whoever gets to the door first.
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One thing they say is that American men really don't know what to do any more. If you open a door for a woman, you are yelled at. If you don't open a door for a woman, you are yelled at.
So, basically, no matter what you do, you get yelled at. You can't win, so you might as well leave them alone.
| Quote: | | on the asian female thing... I'll just say that the one reason why I consider asian girls more attractive than white girls is because they are raised to be feminine . |
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| pandabear wrote: | | Dantac wrote: |
To begin, gender roles and behaviour social rules apply heavily in latin cultures whereas in American culture the woman has become a man with tits (not to offend but this is a literal quote Ive heard from many latinos living in the US and I agree that for the most part this is true).
Hence, an American woman on the receiving end of the smallest socially expected gesture in latin culture (aka the opening of the door for a lady) to her seems like a big act of chivalry. To a latin woman, it is a friendly gesture that is not demanded of the guy but it does show her that he wasn't taught manners by his family... but thats about it.
An American man on the other hand, raised in a culture where woman=man .. there's no need nor social rule to open the door ... the door will be opened by whoever gets to the door first.
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So, basically, no matter what you do, you can't always have it your way. You also can't always win, so you might as well treat them like human beings.
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Fixed...
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| anna-banana wrote: | | WhiskeyInTheJar wrote: | | anna-banana wrote: | | Western men should be thankful that muslims are such bastards towards women, they make them look really good by comparison. |
This is a generalisation. Possibly even racist. |
ok let me rephrase this:
<sarcasm>Western men should be thankful that muslims are such bastards towards women, they make them look really good by comparison.</sarcasm> |
Who are muslims? The Southeast Asians?
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| visnofskygirl wrote: |
Who are muslims? The Southeast Asians? |
| Quote: | muslim (mŭz'ləm, mʊz'-, mŭs'-, mʊs'-)
also Mos·lem (mŏz'ləm, mŏs'-) A believer in or adherent of Islam |
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| MissConstrue wrote: |
So, basically, no matter what you do, you can't always have it your way. You also can't always win, so you might as well treat them like human beings.
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Fixed... [/quote]
Hey have you seen how the people here view of their fellow human beings? You may want to rethink the fix
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Is the complaint here that Western men do not treat women like human beings?
Do Western men treat women differently from the way they treat other human beings? Should they? |
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| pandabear wrote: | | Dantac wrote: |
To begin, gender roles and behaviour social rules apply heavily in latin cultures whereas in American culture the woman has become a man with tits (not to offend but this is a literal quote Ive heard from many latinos living in the US and I agree that for the most part this is true).
Hence, an American woman on the receiving end of the smallest socially expected gesture in latin culture (aka the opening of the door for a lady) to her seems like a big act of chivalry. To a latin woman, it is a friendly gesture that is not demanded of the guy but it does show her that he wasn't taught manners by his family... but thats about it.
An American man on the other hand, raised in a culture where woman=man .. there's no need nor social rule to open the door ... the door will be opened by whoever gets to the door first.
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One thing they say is that American men really don't know what to do any more. If you open a door for a woman, you are yelled at. If you don't open a door for a woman, you are yelled at.
So, basically, no matter what you do, you get yelled at. You can't win, so you might as well leave them alone.
| Quote: | | on the asian female thing... I'll just say that the one reason why I consider asian girls more attractive than white girls is because they are raised to be feminine . |
Amen! |
The solution to the door problem: open doors for everyone. If anyone complains, shut the door on their nose.
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WhiskeyInTheJar
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Guys, if you want a feminine woman, just get a ticket to Phnom Penh or Bangkok.
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| pandabear wrote: | Is the complaint here that Western men do not treat women like human beings?
Do Western men treat women differently from the way they treat other human beings? Should they? |
What complaints? Most of the complaints I've seen so far are against western women. If you want women to be your servants than by all means have it your way but don't expect every female to kiss the ground you walk on or act like they owe you something simply because you da man.
Let's face it, the west and the U.S. especially is still new to the equal opportunities that minorities fought so hard for. It seems that some men and even women take it for granted the labor and work women, blacks and other minorities and working classes went through just to get the same opportunities as the priveledged white men. Apparently some things never change as some people still hold onto their old beliefs and myths about human beings and where they stand socially and financially. The old myths of why a person should be treated less than another person.
As for western men, I find that they are just as diverse as women. One great and enduring factor about the west is at least we don't get persecuted or killed for the basic rights we take for granted such as freedom of speech and freedom to live. Even widows in some parts of the eastern world are not even allowed to work or marry again.
Anyway, it'd be nice to know what exactly feminine and masculine mean to you men. For some strange reason there are some guys who think women should look and act feminine. I get what feminity looks like but I sure as hell don't understand what acting feminine means except fullfilling a subserviant role which frankly is just another word for slavery if you mean it in the sense that you don't have to take any responsibility. Personally I really don't care if men think western women are awful simply because I could never really pretend to be something I'm not and I'd hate to have to survive off a man simply to live.
It just seems like most of the messages come off here mixed and ironic. Women are only attracted to wealth and status...which is bad, then it's women should stay at home and take of the house and the kids....which means the man would have to work, then it's women are rude but if a guy is rude to a lady it's ok because she likes em' bad. I've never seen so much confusion and stupidity in my life not even on a subforum.
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WhiskeyInTheJar
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Yes, Janissy, we need less stupidity.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| WhiskeyInTheJar wrote: | | Yes, Janissy, we need less stupidity. |
Indeed but what does Janissy have to do with my post?
I assume you are responding to me?
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Just a blantant attempt at insult I'm assuming since you do that a lot here....
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Janissy
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| MissConstrue wrote: | | WhiskeyInTheJar wrote: | | Yes, Janissy, we need less stupidity. |
Indeed but what does Janissy have to do with my post?
I assume you are responding to me?
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Just a blantant attempt at insult I'm assuming since you do that a lot here.... |
We are both Western women, so I suppose we can be assumed to be interchangeable with each other. Just as Eastern women are being portrayed here as interchangeable with each other.
For the record, I didn't post in this thread prior to being misconstrued as MissConstrue (hehe) because I don't think there is some sweeping generalization that can be made about Western men, other than the obvious geographical one that they are in the West. |
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| anna-banana wrote: | | Western men should be thankful that muslims are such bastards towards women, they make them look really good by comparison. |
Except, uhh, not... I know a lot of muslims (NJ has the largest muslim percentage of total population of any US state), and they're quite normal... sure they have slightly different dress and dietary requirements than we're used to, but they're jerks and saints like any other group of human beings...
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