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Nomaken
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 Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:39 am Post subject: |
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So is that living their life in their room the same as being a hermit? Because I try to live my life in my room. I spend like 90% of my time here.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| Nomaken wrote: | | So is that living their life in their room the same as being a hermit? Because I try to live my life in my room. I spend like 90% of my time here. |
Yeah, it is pretty much like being a hermit. The thing is that it is more common in their society than it is in ours. Most people in our society would get high on drugs and join a gang or some other self-destructive behavior, the japanese drop out of society which is self destructive but not quite as openly so. I realize that aspies are likely to do similar things for possibly slightly different reasons(we are more likely to not want the company rather than feel driven out of society).
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: Re: Social-Democratic Aspies? |
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| David1981 wrote: | Hi!
I wonder if there are any Aspies here who subscribe to a social-democratic worldview?
Some of my points:
* Universal healthcare.
* Implementation of equal marriage.
* Global currency.
* Nationalisation of banks, railroads, airports, power, water, sewage and pharmaceuticals.
* Progressive income tax with minimum rate of nothing for the very poor and 70% for the very rich.
* Living wage for all people.
* Global luxury tax to pay for aid to those less fortunate.
* Ending the war on drugs. Free all non-violent offenders.
* Prison reform. Focus on rehabilitation but life without parole for the worst offenders.
* Reduction of military presence throughout the world. Let's spend money for education and improvement, NOT bombs.
* End school bullying.
* Bring the Bush cabal to justice at The Hague.
What do you guys think? |
I think theres probably more left-wingers in the AS population than there is in the rest of the world, mainly because AS people have more ability to see reason (most of the time).
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| David1981 wrote: | I disagree with the War. I believe we need to put out of the Middle East. CIA intervention and extremely biased support towards Israel are the root causes of anti-Western sentiment in the Middle East.
Also, don't forget the tonnes of depleted uranium poisoning the Iraqi soil. DU will contaminate for the next 4.5 BILLION years!  |
A lot of the anti-West sentiment in the Middle East is caused by Western regimes (mainly America) supporting unjust Middle Eastern regimes for the sake of oil trade (eg Saudi Arabia)
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Sophist
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: Social-Democratic Aspies? |
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| David1981 wrote: | Hi!
I wonder if there are any Aspies here who subscribe to a social-democratic worldview?
Some of my points:
* Universal healthcare.
* Implementation of equal marriage.
* Global currency.
* Nationalisation of banks, railroads, airports, power, water, sewage and pharmaceuticals.
* Progressive income tax with minimum rate of nothing for the very poor and 70% for the very rich.
* Living wage for all people.
* Global luxury tax to pay for aid to those less fortunate.
* Ending the war on drugs. Free all non-violent offenders.
* Prison reform. Focus on rehabilitation but life without parole for the worst offenders.
* Reduction of military presence throughout the world. Let's spend money for education and improvement, NOT bombs.
* End school bullying.
* Bring the Bush cabal to justice at The Hague.
What do you guys think? |
I'd refer to myself as Social-Liberal as opposed to Democrat vs. Republican. Although in the case of this Patriot Act, I'm definitely in the Conservative (not Republican) camp in that it's a very bad idea to push for a permanent one. And I get nervous enough with just a temporary one.
I agree with all of those you mentioned except possibly with global currency. Though I'm against getting rid of currency for credit cards. There should always be a mix of both, with the currency as a back-up.
I'm big-time on Universal Health Care (and not the crappy second-rate kind, but preventative as well) and education, especially in poorer communities.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Another thought... |
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| David1981 wrote: | | Also, for the record, I don't propose the abolition of nations. i advocate a global standards system to harmonise policies, similar to a global EU. The United Nations doesn't go far enough. We need a World Federation. |
Yeh, your right, not a world nation, it would be to easy to end up with a world dictatorship that way. World Federation is much better.
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Mithrandir
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Awesomelyglorious wrote: | I sort of wonder how well the Japanese style of handling bullying would work though. Japanese culture is different than Western culture in many ways and how Japanese students handle their problems is different than America. The Japanese have a problem known as Hikikomori where people live their lives in their room, this problem is not very common in America compared to Japan.
Also, does the Japanese method work? I have seen some articles where there are complaints about problems with bullying in Japan, these even include reports of suicide and of extortion up to 10,000 dollars. Maybe they have changed things but I have read some articles here that claim that there are problems.... I am not sure how those problems compare to other systems though.
http://www.humiliationstudies.org/news/archives/2004_07.html
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/japan/ijime.html
I guess the fact it does not completely work is what you mean by an initial step but I need to understand what the entire process would be. The initial step by itself does not work. |
That is precisely why I called it an initial step. We have less bullying in North America (to the same severity, not necessarily number). However, our skills at promoting independence is lacking.
I find Asian cultures need to work on acceptence of failure.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Nomaken wrote: | If i had my druthers we'd re-implement slavery, but only for non-citizens. And we'd save a sh** load of money by simply removing the citizen ship of unreformable criminals. We could use em for science experiments, public TV shows, personal servants, sex slaves, and the like.
And don't waste your time being offended by my views, it aint ever gonna f***' happen. So you don't have to worry that my view will have any practical influence on actual government policy. |
You wouldnt have thought a British Prime Minister would attempt to pass a law that allows him to bypass Parliament either. But its happening as we speak. So mabey quit with the fascist tagline.
| Quote: | | The United States can hardly be considered backwards considering that we are the strongest nation in the world with the largest economy, one of the highest GDP per capitas, the best collegic educaion system and so on and so forth. |
Its social politics are backwards. And regressing, along with its foreign policy.
| Quote: | | The Chinese with their wonderfull human rights record |
[sarcastic comment]Cos Good Ol Bush Is So Much Better![/sarcastic comment]
I do see what your saying though.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| McJeff wrote: | | and I don't think socialism is possible without authoritarianism |
Im living proof that thats wrong - Im a strong socialist who believes authoritarianism (and even authority, to some extent) has no place in the world. In fact, that belief is rooted at least partly in my socialist beliefs.
| Quote: | | I like the Japanese method for handling bullying initially. The teachers treat the children as independant. The teachers do not try to control the way people think like in North American Classrooms. In the end, the children help each other out. |
Finally, an official policy that actually makes SENSE! Yay!!!
(no, not sarcastic despite how that might have seemed)
| Quote: | | However, our skills at promoting independence is lacking. |
Mainly because the American administrations unofficial stance is to actively discourage independance through propaganda, indoctrination and psychological discirimination. We have the same problem in Britain.
| Quote: | | I find Asian cultures need to work on acceptence of failure. |
Yes, definately.
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the reason that McJeff said that socialism required authoritarianism has nothing to do with the belief of socialism. There are many non-authoritarian socialists, the problem comes in because some body of people must enact the socialist policies and in doing so it amasses great power. The concentration of power in such a body over the lives of people gives it great control that could easily become authoritarian because in order to act the government must have the power to do so and to generate this power it might feel the need to be more restrictive and oppress people even more. It is not about the ideal of socialism only the fact that governments like to get larger and have great problems getting smaller. Socialists that are anti-authority are common because of the fact that they oppose the current situation of power, in order to have their dream many people think that they would create their own demon which could very well be true because the system would probably either become less restrictive(more capitalist) or more restrictive(more authoritarian) in order to find stability.
That was just my theory on the whole matter though.
Actually, I think the problem with American youth is that they are just disobedient, it could be that they are too dependent on harmful cultural effects or something but still. Americans are very rebellious and clueless at the same time, if our propaganda and doctrination was effective then we should be using it to improve our students and workers.
American foreign policy is bad, we should be trying to get more good will across the world. I do think that trying to befriend India was a good idea due to the growing power of India but we have angered many people in Europe and we have angered the Middle East too. Our social policies could need some improving in terms of education I think, we need to make sure that people have social mobility and can rise based upon merits, however, I think that people should mostly be responsible for their own lives. Constantly subsidizing things and taxing heavily would be bad for the economy, it would be bad for the industries in question and I think it would worsen the net welfare of the United States.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There are many non-authoritarian socialists, the problem comes in because some body of people must enact the socialist policies and in doing so it amasses great power. |
What about when nobody under the jurisdiction of that group is left out of the group? Then, while they might have great power, they only have it over themselves. Thats called direct democracy.
| Quote: | | American foreign policy is bad, we should be trying to get more good will across the world. |
[sarcastic comment]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, ya think? I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!!![/sarcastic comment]
| Quote: | | I do think that trying to befriend India was a good idea |
- Well, sure, so long as it has nothing to do with: | Quote: | | the growing power of India |
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Awesomelyglorious
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Direct democracy has problems because the people may not have great knowledge on the issue at hand and might be pushed towards extreme positions if things get somewhat bad. The average citizen does not have a great understanding of economics or of the requirements of government, we could easily get a situation where the majority oppressed the minority or where a majority imposes laws that end up being harmful for the nation.
For example: the average person does not have a great understanding of the economy so if something seems bad to them they may impose a government regulation that ends up being unreasonable and that could cause us to go into debt and that could ruin the economy. One example of a well-meaning law that had horrible consequences is the La Follete Seamen's Act of 1915 which tried to establish a living wage for seamen, the result was not so much of a living wage but instead an industry that could no longer compete with foreign industries. The average person would probably pass many well meaning laws that end up doing horrible things to the economy.
Another problem with the socialist economy is that great bureacracy would be required to have national industries or these industries would have to be broken up into many tiny industries. In both examples the industry would become more inefficient, one by bureacracy that couldn't be regulated away and the other by being too small to have a sufficient economy of scale. Also, by breaking down the economy into small local industries the ability of these industries to work together would be diminished which would mean that short falls in one part of the nation might not be addressed by other parts. These small industrial regions also might have the problem of not being able to support themselves due to a reliance on imports from other regions, this creates a problem because the whole point was to break down the national infrastructure but in order to have one sided trade(one side helping out another part of the nation) there would have to be a powerful federal government in charge of such things.
A great problem with a socialist economy is the fact that it does not adapt to change as well as a capitalist economy. Socialist economies can support themselves with taxes and debt until the entire system collapses and therefore don't feel a need to change. The capitalist economy adapts very well because individual corporations cannot support themselves too long in a hostile environment and must do something or die and these companies also seek profit which means that dying industries fade away and growing industries grow quickly in order to get profit.
Anyway, I did acknowledge the problem with American foreign policy to show that even though I disagree with some of your points I still am not disconnected from reality. American foreign policy does suck.
Our dealings with India probably had a lot to do with the growing power of India. That is how the system works. We suck up to groups with power because we don't want to be screwed over by the system and we might be less friendly to nations with less power because they can't do as much. This is only human nature, humans tend to seek the most benefit at the least cost because such is logical. Practicality is the governing force of government actions or at least practicality should be. After all, if nations ignore power and such then they might find themselves in an much worse situation economically due to the loss of trade agreements and things of that nature.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Theres nothing in the concept of a direct democracy to say there couldnt be a constitution which would prevent persecution.
As for near-sighted policies, thats just as likely from an elected leader, or a dictator. The difference is, an elected leader, being one person, has a motive for corruption that a whole population doesnt have. And a dictator can even get away with it, so long as he/she isnt overthrown by militant action.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Well if it does happen then f**k you, I want it. Especially if it is evil and selfish.
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Awesomelyglorious
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You are right, politicians are well known for being corrupt fools. The only thing is that some matters do require an agent to take care of certain business. I would say that the probability of near-sighted policies is greater from the average person than from representatives. Representatives usually have some experience outside of politics from which they can draw off of and make better decisions with. If the majority of a population is hicks then you don't want them to have too much political power. Dictators can be horrible though in terms of governing. I think that one of the strengths of the representatives is that the power of the people gets somewhat diluted because the politicians must suck up to powerful groups that represent major political interests in the economy. Power needs to be respected in any political system. Anyway, I think that a problem with the direct democracy comes in from the question of who would implement the decisions(some government position must read all of the votes and implement the choice) this person or group would then hold great power, especially if the wording of the law is bad.
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