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Veresae
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 Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Enigmatic_Oddity wrote: | Game developers aren't entirely responsible for the content of games, anyway. The majority of the buying public are more likely to buy a game with sex appeal, so it makes perfect sense for developers to put sexually provocative content in their games. And there's probably a large number of developers out there who could benefit from putting this stuff into their products, but they don't and they get less sales as a result.
Even though some of us may dislike sexism and stereotyping, we're only a few people. In the end it's all about giving people what they want, and given that the majority of gamers are young horny males, that mainly means sex. |
But the thing is, games don't have sex. Just sexism towards both genders, poor acting, poor scripting, etc., all the crappy aspects of pornography. Yet whenever anything remotely resembling nudity is involved, then gaming publishers want nothing to do with it. I wouldn't have such a problem with it if some games actually had some slightly more sexual content, because then they'd at least provide a mastrubatory outlet like pornography does, rather than just taking all the bad aspects of porn. Of course, the best thing would be if they actually dropped the terrible trends they have now and actually focused on having great writing and acting and plot and characters, and on actually having artistically appealing graphics rather than just technologically groundbreaking ones that, despite the somewhat cool effects, are actually kind of quite ugly. (Look at FEAR (one of my current poster children for everything wrong with the gaming industry): Ugly grey corridor after ugly grey corridor.) |
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Enigmatic_Oddity
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: |
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So you would like to see more nudity and sexual content in games, as long as it is done in a tasteful, non-sexist way? Interesting, but that would never happen because developers would just continue to follow the bad trends set by pornography. The only way that could change would be if there was a sudden surge of mainstream interest in nudity and sexual content from both sexes, and we all know how unlikely that scenario is.
Women do not have much interest in sexual content and nudity because most of the material available is sexist or geared specifically to males, and people who are responsible for creating such content don't bother targeting women because there'd be relatively few people interested in what they have to sell. The situation makes it difficult for any change to occur. |
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Xuincherguixe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| JohnnysEntertainmentFan wrote: | | Xuincherguixe wrote: |
To me how sensitive one is, based on what a group one has been associated with isn't an issue. At the very least, 'right' and 'wrong' aren't things that can really be measured.
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Personally, I believe the past actions of major actions of groups in the past do affect sensitivity of people currently. Could you explain why you don't argee? I always like to hear other people's point of view on important issues like this. |
Oh I DEFINATLY agree that happens. I just don't agree with how people react frequently. All to often this how violence works. One group does something to bother another. That group responds by doing the same thing.
My issue isn't so much with sensitivity, but over sensitivity. To demonstrate, I will use the example of two twits. Man-Twit and Woman-Twit. (And don't think that this example reflects anything other then my views of idiots)
Man-Twit "Would you like me to hold open the door for you?"
Woman-Twit "You mysognistic bastard! Do you think I'm so weak that I can't move a door? You disgust me. I bet you want to club me over the head too!"
Man-Twit "You retard! I'm one of those nice guys! You women all think that every man is out to destroy you. You need to stop being such a hostile freak. Shouldn't you be out burning bras or something?"
In this (artificial) situation they are both right, and both justify each others view. Man-Twit could have just shrugged the over reaction off, or calmly respond that he only asked. Woman-Twit could have expressed her same disapproval without the rage.
But of course if they reacted well they wouldn't be twits would they?  (And quite frankly these fictional people need some therapy)
Using your emotions to do your thinking is a bad idea. Not saying you should act like they aren't there, but I believe our emotions should be dominated by ones will, not the other way around.
And for what it's worth, I think the womans movement still has further to go. I also think that we need a mens movement too. Then again we should just kill all the birds with one HUGE stone and have a human movement (we'll leave things at human for now because there's not really much else that could even understand a rights movement ) |
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Veresae
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Enigmatic_Oddity wrote: | | Women do not have much interest in sexual content and nudity because most of the material available is sexist or geared specifically to males... |
Not necessarily true. A lot of the women I know are more into porn and sex and nudity than a lot of the guys I know. But then, I life in the Bay Area...hahah.
| Enigmatic_Oddity wrote: | | ...and people who are responsible for creating such content don't bother targeting women because there'd be relatively few people interested in what they have to sell. The situation makes it difficult for any change to occur. |
However, THIS is definately true. There's a widespread belief that women aren't interested in this sort of thing just because the stereotypical male image of what women are, and there aren't a lot of female game developers to combat this.
I certainly don't expect any change, that's why I'm so ticked in the first place. I really, really doubt that the industry will actually become concerned with great writing or with stopping its constant, accidental emulation of porn. Everyone else thinks that the Next Big Thing is physics, or something like that, when I'm sitting here wishing it'd be about using what technology is already here to actually emotionally affect the audience with great characters, storylines, drama, etc. Or at the very least more variety. I mean, with films we have brainless Hollywood action movies all the time, but we can still always expect some kind of independent movies, or dramas, or documentaries. The film industry has a lot of bad trends (too many crappy CG movies, lots of romantic comedies which are all almost exactly the same, horror movies nearly always being remakes or sequels or just utter crap, etc.),
but at least there's some variety there.
I dunno, I always have problems with the way things are going or are expected to go. I mean, there's some debate about what the expected "main idea" of the future political philosophers will be, the next big thing that will be stressed in politics. (Before it's been stuff like "reason," "religion," "family," "capitalism," etc.) A lot of people think it will be "ballance," but to me that just has annoying Middle America connotations that I can't stand. I want the next thing to be stressed in politics to be compassion, truth, or morality. Something like that, something to do with the government actually CARING about the people it's supposed to GOVERN, and making their welfare its top priority, rather than their rationale for acts that only benefit the super rich minority! But whatever, that's another rant. I just wanted to make an analogy. Heh. |
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Xuincherguixe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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I also feel that the much of the reason many women aren't into pornography is because their isn't much that is really targeted towards them.
I mean just think of all those trashy novels, many of which have "Fabio" on the cover.
I rest my case. |
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Enigmatic_Oddity
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I know there are women who are into porn, sex and nudity but I was just making a generalisation. I guess I should have made that clearer.
But in my experience, I have not known many women with an overt interest in their own sexuality. Most of the females I know appear to be ashamed of their sexual side. |
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Xuincherguixe
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| Enigmatic_Oddity wrote: | I know there are women who are into porn, sex and nudity but I was just making a generalisation. I guess I should have made that clearer.
But in my experience, I have not known many women with an overt interest in their own sexuality. Most of the females I know appear to be ashamed of their sexual side. |
Which is a significant part of why I say that the women's movement still has further to go |
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