Conspiracy Theories

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I wish I could say it was not true to be honest.

Ok, please do it in a new thread. I don't want people to miss the point of this thread.

Are you sure? Look me in the eyes and say it again.

You are so funny.......

I wish it were not true, because I'd rather not live in a world full of corruption where a nations own government can put the goals of a single family above the lives of so many people that have died or suffered as a result. Even force that the government can lie to the victims families about it.

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Last edited by PatrickNeville on 08 Jan 2011, 6:05 am, edited 1 time in total.

Sorry I just seen your message now. Well I will start this up in a new thread.

I wouldnt bother Patrick, if some people read in the controlled media that the sky is green, they will belive it and argue the point with you, such is the level of some peoples nievity.
These people are so self-deluded in thier beliefs that only honest and uncorruptable people would ever be in a government, that they are unswayable.
The notion that governments start wars and need the backing of the people to do so, so use lying propogander, is beyond thier interllectual abilities, even though a short study of history would show them it happens time after time again.

MCalavera for instance, he comes up with cliches like "strawman" and "hard evidence", yet he wont be able to show you any hard evidence himself, ask him about how foriegn Muslims could ever get N.O.R.A.D. to stand down, he wil probably say thats a "Strawman" or something.

And dont bother showing him any hard eveidence like the following picture of fireman standing in the rubble immediately after the collapse, showing hard evidence that the support collums where cut with controlled demolition, you will never hear the likes of him say, "oh yeah, Ive never seen that, maybe Ive been wrong".
The government warmongers rely on his type to continue getting away with making the world a nasty place for many people around the world

*likes*

Well, if you have anything to add, i made a separate thread with my original post. Could gathered more and linked in aspect of how it helped them tighten restrictions and eventually give them a reason to make a presence in the middle east, but it was just a quick job.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3291557.html#3291557

I do not believe in every Conspiracy Theory. I can find holes in all of them. However, the "mainstream" news, the lefty "liberal" experts, and the neocon-Christian "conservatives" have information that is just as full of holes as the wildest conspiracy theory.
That is why I take conspiracy theories seriously even while not believing them. After all according to the mainstream news we are experiencing these events.
1". We have caring Mr Nice Guy liberal president who just loves poor people and save us from big bad rich folks.
2. The world s heating up and we will never see snow again. The ocean will rise up and swallow us unless we lay higher taxes.
3. Iran is on the verge on conquering the entire universe despite having a tiny navy and being a third world economy.
4. Spending money is the same as making money. Debt is wealth. You can get rich by borrowing.
5. Snow is the most dangerous element on Earth. When it snows you have to buy bread and milk since snow will kill all the cows and wheat.
6. If Iran's tiny navy blockades the Persian Gulf, we will have to surrender. All the world will have to pay more for oil because we cannot live without the Perian Gulf despite oil being found all over the world.
7. Oil is running out despite the fact there are more oilfelds than ever.
8. Hurricanes were not strong until Bush became president. Now, since Bush was in office, all hurricanes suddenly became powerful. Hurricanes were created by Republicans.
9 . Conservatives care about the middle class and want to save us from Islamic supermen that can conquer America without having any real military power or industry.
10. All 300 million Americans will be killed by Arabs with silly putty hidden in their pants at any time. We need intrusive searches to save us.
Yeah, the mainstream media is credible.

I do have to wonder (@ that fireman picture) how much the people touting it understand about the activity of I-beams under extreme stress. Why is that diagonal shear proof of controlled demolition exactly? For that matter, how much do people understand about controlled demolition? Its very easy to string youtube videos together, using the same footage, with a different voice-over/text and tell a different story, but I have to say that the second video seems to have much better science behind it, and makes much more common sense.

Certainly the usual knee-jerk reaction of most Conspiracy Theorists when their tales are questioned often helps to discredit their stories. "You're just a sheep, you're blind, you don't understand, you just believe whatever X media outlet says and never look any further." Its hardly compelling, or a reasoned argument, or even a very good attempt to persuade a non-believer that something is true. Might not hurt to try selling the idea instead of acting all superior. To be honest, when I get told by a Theorist that something MUST be true and I'm just a blind sheep etc etc that I take umbrage at that person, and promptly will deliberately disbelieve whatever they are saying just to piss them off and insult them, as they have insulted me.

Incidentally, I watched most of 9/11 go down from ARAB media outlets, and i have to say that with their obviously anti-western bias they STILL managed to portray the event as a terror attack on the US. When both "sides" media are in agreement, then its a fair bet that they are probably on to the truth.

The diagonal shear proof picture, a perfect 45% cut off, the metal underneath undamaged, at the cut edge you can see hardened molten metal.
In demolition, they place thermite charges at 45% angles on all the weight bearing beams, when they are set off, the building slides off them. You can see thermite cascading out of the corner of one of the WT buildings in this shot:-
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVLeKwSkXA[/youtube]

Note the physisist mentions the post event forensic evidence that thermite was used.

Another thing you may remember, 3 months after the event, there was still rivers of molten steel under the debri, aircraft fuel never gets steel hot enough to even melt, never mind so hot its still molten 3 months after, and with constant dowsing of water.

Sorry about "knee jerk reaction", but the original posters insults to anybody who dares question what they see, got my back up, Ive had 9 years of this, whilst I understand people who do not belive because they havnt looked for themselves,I have contempt for people who attack those who do, by trying to hide the truth, or at least try and discourage people from looking, they are defending the real perputrators, and therefore share in the blod guilt of all those who have died as a result, not just the 3000 on 911, but the hundreds of thousands of slandered victims dying horrible deaths due to the imperialistic Americans use of depleted urainium on Iraqs.

Going back to the original purpose of this thread, these are the people who are behind these stupid conspiracy theories.

PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH

These are professionals who actually fly these planes for a living, they say the manuvours suppossedly carried out are impossible, they say those aircraft cannot fly that fast at that low altitude because the air is much thicker, they tell you about ground effect where the aircraft cannot fly low enough to hit the pentagon at that speed, its an impossibility of physics.

FAMILIES FOR 911 TRUTH

The victims families are amogst those silly conspiracy theorists who naturally enough want to find out the truth as to why thier loved ones died. (Or maybe they are just doing it for "entertainment", I cannot belive how thoughtless and insesitive some of the posters on this forum can be.

ENGINEERS FOR 911 TRUTH

This site has 1400 professional engineers and architects whose knowledge tells them what we are told happened, couldnt possibly happen.

There are many more if people are really interested they will look further, most people however have such an ingrained worldview that they wouldnt want to change it even if they could.

You can say that again.



Whether your government cares or not about its people is not something that I have experience to argue about.

All I'm arguing against here are the ridiculous conspiracy theories spewed out by people who choose not to be intellectually honest.

Your government may not care about you and many other Americans, I don't know. But that doesn't mean the Illuminati is real. Any experienced writer can make up an interesting story about the Illuminati around real people and real events and make it seem like it's a true story when it's not. It's your job to use proper discernment and judgement and not believe whatever tickles your ears.

Who's the one blindly believing what the media tells him, Nambo? Conspiracy theorists also have their own media, did you forget?

I could care less what mainstream TV says. All I care about are the clear facts that have been witnessed by many. I can't deny them, so why do you deny them in favor of your ridiculous theories? Is it for a political reason? Or religious? Or is it simply entertainment?



Ok, do you feel better now? Can we go back to the main topic of this thread?



Just a reminder. This topic isn't about MCalavera. So feel free to discuss me in another thread.



How is it hard evidence? Care to explain?



I could easily say that the Muslim terrorists rely on people like you to continue getting away with terrorizing the USA. Take that!

LOL! That cut off was made during the cleanup, my dear.

Check the following video, silly.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0[/youtube]



And your source is?



Oh, dear. More videos ...

Here's a video response for your pleasure:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhHzMttUKO0&feature=watch_response[/youtube]

Sorry for spoiling your excitement.



I could care less what that liar says.



Source? Oh, who am I kidding ...



Wow, that strong! I'm not preventing anyone from looking for themselves. In fact, I encourage everyone to look and research and use proper judgement and discernment.

By the way, I don't appreciate your guilt trip tactics.



First of all, pilots are not scientists. Second, pilots are still human beings. And just as there are humans who believe conspiracy theories, there are pilots who also do. Big deal.

And, by the way, it's a clear fact that an aircraft hit the Pentagon. And there's huge evidence for that (not to mention witnesses):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBh07n-8uM0[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K89coc88Hrs&feature=related[/youtube]



No need to go that low with me. I'm encouraging people to accept nothing but facts. I'm not here to belittle families of victims. If they're looking for the truth, then let them do it the right way. We may not know the whole truth, but we have heaps of evidence for us all to view and research. Let's not ignore them.

By the way, there are families on the other side, too, you know (the ones who believe it was an Islamic terrorist attack). But I won't express how insensitive you are for not feeling for them.

I hope you take back what you implied about me.



Yet every claim made by those liars have been debunked as you can see on YouTube.

And, besides, never forget the witnesses.



Such as you, right?

I like how you're projecting it on me.

I frankly doubt there was a designed explosive setup to destroy the WTC but there is no doubt that the circumstances of the reaction of the Bush administration to the tragedy are very unsettling. There is a mountain of evidence that the administration had definite plans to attack Iraq well before the WTC attack and the attack was tremendously useful in supplementing that intention. And the supplementary inept reactions to the attack are also most peculiar. Iraq was not implicated in any way in causing the tragedy but Iraq was immediately seized upon as the perpetrator and was put in the center of the target for retribution. That, more than anything else, smells of some kind of setup.

Maybe.

I personally think the American government didn't deliberately plan for this, but they definitely took advantage of the situation when it happened.

Yet, who knows?

The military plan to attack Iraq was probably from the 1st Bush Administration or the CLinton admin. The military planners at the pentagon constantly plan contingency plans. Heck there is probably a military plan floating around to invade Canada, though it is not ever going to be implimented. You have to give the people at the pentagon something to do, otherwise they just sit at their PCs and watch Porn all day like the Scientists did at the Nation Science Foundation.