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Pile-drive FTW!!!! 
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nostromo
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| Let me see what was running through that kids head, "hmm I'm skinny and slight, I shall provoke this much larger, older and physically more powerful boy and see what happens". |
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flamingshorts
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| nostromo wrote: | | Let me see what was running through that kids head, "hmm I'm skinny and slight, I shall provoke this much larger, older and physically more powerful boy and see what happens". |
He was probaly thinking "this guy never hits back". I think the older boy is kind of shy and passive. That's why hes been bullied for some time as I understand it. He didnt know how to duck. I doubt he has ever hit anybody "the socially correct way". |
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Jono
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Bully gets broken |
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Quote from the article:
| Quote: | | "We don't believe that violence is ever the answer," Mr Dalgleish says. "We believe there are other ways that children can manage this." |
Actually, there's no other way the bully victim could of managed this. If the bully is violent towards him, he's got no right to defend himself? Can someone please explain what the alternative is. |
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nostromo
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| flamingshorts wrote: | | nostromo wrote: | | Let me see what was running through that kids head, "hmm I'm skinny and slight, I shall provoke this much larger, older and physically more powerful boy and see what happens". |
He was probaly thinking "this guy never hits back". I think the older boy is kind of shy and passive. That's why hes been bullied for some time as I understand it. He didnt know how to duck. I doubt he has ever hit anybody "the socially correct way". |
I think your bang on there. I'm opposed to violence in general, its moronic but I would encourage anyone to defend themselves when the victim of an unprovoked attack as in this case. |
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Reminds me of something.
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Oh, yeah, here we go! Scout vs. heavy: http://vimeo.com/21020148
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LostAlien
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:04 am Post subject: Re: Bully gets broken |
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| Jono wrote: |
Quote from the article:
| Quote: | | "We don't believe that violence is ever the answer," Mr Dalgleish says. "We believe there are other ways that children can manage this." |
Actually, there's no other way the bully victim could of managed this. If the bully is violent towards him, he's got no right to defend himself? Can someone please explain what the alternative is. |
I agree, if you are attacked are you not allowed to defend yourself. If I was attacked (I'm an adult) I would not be blamed for defending myself. I haven't seen the video but I'm sure it was said in the article that the bully hit the older lad first which would mean that he was being suspended for self defence.
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League_Girl
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| I posted about this yesterday. I am usually against violence but this is a gray area I see. I wish I had the balls to knock my bullies out as a kid but I was always too passive to do it. I was just too nice. I got into fights with them but I wouldn't have been able to pick them up and throw them on the ground. I wouldn't have been able to do that to a little kid either. |
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tomboy4good
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Bully gets broken |
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| Jono wrote: |
Quote from the article:
| Quote: | | "We don't believe that violence is ever the answer," Mr Dalgleish says. "We believe there are other ways that children can manage this." |
Actually, there's no other way the bully victim could of managed this. If the bully is violent towards him, he's got no right to defend himself? Can someone please explain what the alternative is. |
Well as far as the situation goes....I'm sure that nothing would have happened had the older, larger boy had done nothing. In other words, society as a rule prefers it when a doormat continues being just that. I also found that out the hard way. Was also bullied during my school days & it still happens to me now, even though I have long since been out of school. No one cares if I do nothing, but if I fight back physically or verbally, then I am the one with the problem. Not the one who started it...I still have no clue why it's like that.
However, I personally don't think it was wrong for the older boy to strike back. He was punched in the face by the smaller boy first. It sure took a lot of provocation for him to react. But maybe he shouldn't have used so much force slamming the smaller boy to the ground. I'll bet that smaller boy won't bother the larger one anymore. Or at least I hope that's the case. Should have learned a very valuable lesson...don't push anyone that far or they will act out.
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KBerg
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| Quote: | | Their triumphant response to the older boy's retaliation surprised seasoned experts. |
Why on earth would that surprise anyone? Oh gee, a whole lot of people sided with the victim, the one who didn't start anything but just defended himself against an attack so calculated they thought to start shooting video of it? Wait, that actually is weird... usually people go with 'oh he had it coming' or 'he invited it' or 'serves him right for being black/fat/weird/ginger/having glasses'.
| Quote: | | "We don't believe that violence is ever the answer," Mr Dalgleish says. "We believe there are other ways that children can manage this." |
Yes, that's a belief widely held mostly by adults who like to talk about their great anti-bullying plan and say how it's impossible for bullying to happen because of said plan. Like the frigging Olweus plan. God I hate that plan, people seem to think Olweus is like a magic totem, you attend a seminar, say you've adopted the Olweus and then just having the paper that says what's supposed to happen in case of bullying in your desk wards off evil bullying spirits and frees everyone from having to ever do anything unpleasant like deal with it. The truth is for most kids to get to the point of retaliating against their bullies it's usually been going on for a LOOONG TIME. Long enough that it's reasonable to question just how awake the adults who are supposed to be supervising really are.
If other people aren't going to defend you against attacks, you absolutely have the right to defend yourself against it. As far as I'm concerned that applies to kids just as much as adults, kids get hurt just as bad as adults. And have the added disadvantage that most people seem unlikely to believe kids when they tell the truth about how bad it is because well, kids don't do that to other kids, kids are little angels.
That other story from the same school, not calling a parent for 3 hours after their child got attacked severely enough to lose consciousness - that to me speaks volumes. The people running that school are perfectly fine ignoring or enabling bullying unless meanies from the media make them look bad. Also that they have a complete lack of common sense not to let the parent know immediately, which is like the most basic rule you can find in human interactions - if a kid gets hurt let the parents know. |
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IvyMike
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| Zangief wins! Hope that bully got a few cracked vertebrae. |
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