Vexcalibur
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 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: US officially a global warming denier country |
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For shame for science in the US.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/03/15/next-up-for-congress-repeal-the-law-of-gravity/
I have to say that it is fair to say that are not certain that the change is man-made, and if it was it is not certain CO2 emissions are the main reason behind it. However, There is definitely a climate change and it is a problem, to deny it is to make it evident you live under a reality distortion field.
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Vigilans
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: US officially a global warming denier coutnry |
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It is unfortunate that your country is more interested in the opinions of pundits and corporate support than scientific reality
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| Just one more reason why the Republicans tick me off. It's days like these that I understand why Lenin went and banned all other parties in Russia... Pity that it would be unconstitutional to ban the Republicans. |
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Jacoby
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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are you one of those people hold "climate change deniers" akin to holocaust deniers?  |
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Mindtear
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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They ask the wrong questions...
Is there global warming? Undeniable
Does man cause global warming?
Does CO2 cause global warming?
The melting of the ice caps will not effect the earth as a whole in any meaning full way, but how many people live in cities within 15 miles of the coastline? Or less than 10 meters above sea level? |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Mindtear wrote: | | The melting of the ice caps will not effect the earth as a whole in any meaning full way, |
You must be kidding.
| Quote: | | but how many people live in cities within 15 miles of the coastline? Or less than 10 meters above sea level? |
A lot.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Republicans voters are split right down the middle on the issue. But the GOP leadership is totally in the denialist camp.
Americans in general believe that global warming is happening. |
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Mindtear
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Orwell wrote: | | Mindtear wrote: | | The melting of the ice caps will not effect the earth as a whole in any meaning full way, |
You must be kidding.
| Quote: | | but how many people live in cities within 15 miles of the coastline? Or less than 10 meters above sea level? |
A lot. |
I seperated the "earth" and its "people". The effect on one is negligable, the effect on the other is vast. The vast majority of time the life on earth has seen has been without icecaps. |
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AstroGeek
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Jacoby wrote: | | are you one of those people hold "climate change deniers" akin to holocaust deniers? |
I'm not sure if that was directed towards me or not. But I'll answer anyway. The reason the this ticks me off is because it shows an anti-scientific attitude. The Republicans impose their politics on science, which is wrong. Science tells you the way the world is, and trying to get science to support your politics require telling the science what is right. Science doesn't work that way. Policy should be directed by science. Science should not be defined by policy. Global warming is happening. To deny isn't as bad as denying the holocaust, but it shows that the Republicans do not understand science and are therefore not fit to govern a country where so much depends on science.
As for my harsh remarks about the GOP... that isn't just from this issue. It's from everything. I disagree with the Republicans on every stance that I can think of: I support gay marriage, I am pro-choice when it comes to abortions, I want religion firmly separated from the state, I am a fan of Universal Healthcare, I believe in having higher taxes on the rich than the poor, I care about the environment, I think at least some government involvement in the economy is necessary. And I am unfortunately arrogant enough to think that I know what is best for everyone with respect to these things. The list goes on and on. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I honestly don't believe that we have enough empirical data to determine whether or not global warming is man made or not. Scientists have been claiming that the earth is warming and the icecaps are going to melt which is going to kill us all since the 30's, and it hasn't happened yet. Recently, I think a lot of scientist's claims about climate change are merely a political stance against industrial society, so I reject those claims due to their lack of objectivity.
The more important issue is the regulations gov'ts are trying to put in place to protect the environment amounts to wholesale denial of individual property rights. Fundamentally, the philosophy behind environmentalism is the false dichotomy of man vs environment. I side with man, for obvious reasons. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | To deny isn't as bad as denying the holocaust |
I would be interested to see a comparison of the consequences of the two forms of denialism to justify saying one is worse than the other. Given that the Holocaust already happened and no amount of correct or incorrect historiography will revive six million dead Jews, while the concrete actions taken based on belief or disbelief in global warming will undoubtedly have a serious impact on future outcomes, I would actually be more worried about global warming denialism.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Jacoby wrote: | | are you one of those people hold "climate change deniers" akin to holocaust deniers? |
Denier? Denial of what?
1. We are in a global warming era.
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2. The global warming is primarily due to human activity.
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Vexcalibur
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Jacoby wrote: | | are you one of those people hold "climate change deniers" akin to holocaust deniers? |
At least the ones that believe there is no climate change are akin to holocaust deniers in that they make an outstanding effort to deny reality. Their intentions are probably not the same (Holocaust deniers tend to be Antisemites) but the denial trait is similar.
There is a climate change, its effects are getting felt. You may argue about the causes for it. But downright denying its existence is... denial.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Vexcalibur wrote: | | Jacoby wrote: | | are you one of those people hold "climate change deniers" akin to holocaust deniers? |
At least the ones that believe there is no climate change are akin to holocaust deniers in that they make an outstanding effort to deny reality. Their intentions are probably not the same (Holocaust deniers tend to be Antisemites) but the denial trait is similar.
There is a climate change, its effects are getting felt. You may argue about the causes for it. But downright denying its existence is... denial. |
the climate is constantly changing.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| JWC wrote: | | Scientists have been claiming that the earth is warming and the icecaps are going to melt which is going to kill us all since the 30's, and it hasn't happened yet. . |
It's happening now. The proofs are there and can't be denied!!!
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