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superboyian
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 Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:06 am Post subject: WrongPlanet.net an anti-christian site? |
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For real? Just have a look at PPR and everytime a person mentions about Christianity or anything associated, there always seems to be a lot of bashing and fighting going on over there?
Is there really a need for a PPR at a site like WrongPlanet?
Should it just be PP instead?
Isn't WrongPlanet supposed to be a site accepting people who they are regardless of anything? It doesn't seem like it?
What are you views on it?
Note: This is more of your opinions and me asking general questions, not a protest to eliminate PPR.
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I don't go there because being gang raped by atheists is not my idea of fun.
I am staunch in my beliefs, but i'm not arrogant about them.
If in doubt, just stay away. There are more fun sub forums like the adult forum, Random discussion etc. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: Re: WrongPlanet.net an anti-christian site? |
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| superboyian wrote: | For real? Just have a look at PPR and everytime a person mentions about Christianity or anything associated, there always seems to be a lot of bashing and fighting going on over there?
Is there really a need for a PPR at a site like WrongPlanet?
Should it just be PP instead?
Isn't WrongPlanet supposed to be a site accepting people who they are regardless of anything? It doesn't seem like it?
What are you views on it? |
It's a discussion forum on religion and politics. What do you expect there? A picnic?
I believe PPR should stay. A lot of great minds and thinkers among the Aspie community tend to lurk there. I admire those people. So leave it be. |
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superboyian
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: Re: WrongPlanet.net an anti-christian site? |
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| MCalavera wrote: | | superboyian wrote: | For real? Just have a look at PPR and everytime a person mentions about Christianity or anything associated, there always seems to be a lot of bashing and fighting going on over there?
Is there really a need for a PPR at a site like WrongPlanet?
Should it just be PP instead?
Isn't WrongPlanet supposed to be a site accepting people who they are regardless of anything? It doesn't seem like it?
What are you views on it? |
It's a discussion forum on religion and politics. What do you expect there? A picnic?
I believe PPR should stay. A lot of great minds and thinkers among the Aspie community tend to lurk there. I admire those people. So leave it be. |
Glad you came up with your opinion but then again, I'm not demanding for it to be removed, I'm just asking some questions about it really.... Nothing serious.
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It is a debate forum, so if people go there expressing religious views they will be debated, simple as that. I've noticed there is a general tendency for Aspies to be more logical and less accepting of irrational belief systems so when people just spout biblical stuff the Aspie mind is likely to say "give me some evidence or proof" and this is where the debates fall down, because religion is based on faith / self delusion / social memes not facts.
Another aspect is that WP's members are from all over the world and many Western countries / societies are no longer as religious as America or the Arab countries. So this cultural divide crops up quite frequently. I've noticed that particularly the bible belt posters of America are often shocked at the level of atheism elsewhere. Christianity is so engrained in their society that they find it difficult to comprehend they are in a minority in the world.
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Christians have as much of a right to be here as the Atheists. However, you do NOT have the right to force your beliefs on any of the members. While there seems to be a surplus of atheists in PPR, I have seen Christians there as well. Maybe you could start a group for the WP Christians in the same way Awesomelyglorious started a group for the Atheists. Just know that the Atheists, especially the Strident Atheists, are very outspoken in debates. Mostly, we are just trying to defend ourselves from those who want to attack us because of our lack of belief. If you feel like you have been the victim of an ad hominem attack by anyone in PPR, just report it.
On a further note, I was reading the Discussion Board on WP's Facebook group earlier this morning, and this issue was bought up there as well. TBH I see a TON of controversy on this issue because of what was said in the Facebook discussion.
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| TallyMan wrote: | | irrational belief systems |
What makes you think a belief system is irrational? |
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I have noticed several christians on this site. It would not occur to me that it would be thought of as anti christian by anyone. My own bias seems to be that those who practice alternative religions (not one of the big three mono-theistic ones) would be the ones who would be more likely to be poo-pooed and treated as flighty or whatnot. But that it not what I mean to discuss.
PPR is what it is. It is a place for debate. I find it to be scary and aggressive. I am what... sensitive?... to things that I perceive as attacks rather than debates and I view PPR as little more than people shouting their researched opinions at each other while not really listening to what anyone else has to say while insisting again that they be heard. It scares me there. I avoid it. Maybe I am incorrect in my views... as a person who does not frequent that sub forum, maybe I have no right to even speak on it. It is simply how I see the place and why I stay clear. Besides, I am not so clever anyhow.
Religion, politics and sex are hot button topics. Anytime you through religion into a discussion, you have to expect people to disagree with your stand and vocalize it with clarity and maybe even what you or I could perceive as an un-accepting tone. Here you will end up dealing with several very logic minded individuals and faith is not based in science and logic. It is non-science. God cannot be proven by the scientific method or any other man conceived application of truth discovery and that is where faith comes into play. That will always be brought up by logic minded individuals. There is no way around it.
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| PM wrote: | Christians have as much of a right to be here as the Atheists. However, you do NOT have the right to force your beliefs on any of the members. While there seems to be a surplus of atheists in PPR, I have seen Christians there as well. Maybe you could start a group for the WP Christians in the same way Awesomelyglorious started a group for the Atheists. Just know that the Atheists, especially the Strident Atheists, are very outspoken in debates. Mostly, we are just trying to defend ourselves from those who want to attack us because of our lack of belief. If you feel like you have been the victim of an ad hominem attack by anyone in PPR, just report it.
On a further note, I was reading the Discussion Board on WP's Facebook group earlier this morning, and this issue was bought up there as well. TBH I see a TON of controversy on this issue because of what was said in the Facebook discussion. |
Of course you can't force someone's belief's and I actually agree with you there PM, however they can encourage you to the right direction in life but it's really just an option for anyone to chose or not to choose.
Thanks for bringing up that idea of creating a WP Christianity group. 
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| hale_bopp wrote: | | TallyMan wrote: | | irrational belief systems |
What makes you think a belief system is irrational? |
By the very definition of the terms. A belief system starts from pretending / accepting something is true without facts to support it. It is a house of cards. If something is rational it is based on facts and logic.
Personally I think God is Santa Claus for adults. Some people are brought up in particular societies where a particular religious meme is endemic (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc) they automatically adopt those belief systems, often without deeply questioning them. If the same bible belt God fearing Christian had been born in an Arab country they would likely be praying to Mohammed with equal fervour instead of Jesus. Millions of people born into each religious meme and hardly any of them question their own meme or religion in general. |
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I don't see anything wrong with the PPR. If there weren't Atheists there to scapegoat people would just complain about other Christian denominations interpretations or etc
Mostly, Atheists there decry things most Christians should decry, ie, homophobia, young-Earth Creationism, historical revisionism. We're just different therefore = source of the PPRs problems, obviously... 
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@TallyMan: you're awesome
Food for thought:
Anyway, off to eat my Atheist lunch... later y'all!
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| TallyMan wrote: | | hale_bopp wrote: | | TallyMan wrote: | | irrational belief systems |
What makes you think a belief system is irrational? |
By the very definition of the terms. A belief system starts from pretending / accepting something is true without facts to support it. It is a house of cards. If something is rational it is based on facts and logic.
Personally I think God is Santa Claus for adults. Some people are brought up in particular societies where a particular religious meme is endemic (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc) they automatically adopt those belief systems, often without deeply questioning them. If the same bible belt God fearing Christian had been born in an Arab country they would likely be praying to Mohammed with equal fervour instead of Jesus. Millions of people born into each religious meme and hardly any of them question their own meme or religion in general. |
All I hear is "theres no evidence" but when provided with evidence it just gets laughed off or called "not documented" It's really quite hard to be a spiritual person and get across REAL evidence when the scientific world is so closed minded about the type of science they publicise.
People seem to think nothing is real unless disclosed by maintream science, which, in my opinion is extremely stupid. Don't believe, just read, research and learn with an open mind.
If you can't do that, well, in my opinion you aren't worth knowing. Seriously. |
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| TallyMan wrote: | | hale_bopp wrote: | | TallyMan wrote: | | irrational belief systems |
What makes you think a belief system is irrational? |
By the very definition of the terms. A belief system starts from pretending / accepting something is true without facts to support it. It is a house of cards. If something is rational it is based on facts and logic. |
Hang on, you can believe in something that is true.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: Re: WrongPlanet.net an anti-christian site? |
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| TallyMan wrote: | | I've noticed there is a general tendency for Aspies to be more logical and less accepting of irrational belief systems so when people just spout biblical stuff the Aspie mind is likely to say "give me some evidence or proof" and this is where the debates fall down, because religion is based on faith / self delusion / social memes not facts. |
No, no no!
Better move this thread to PPR ...
| superboyian wrote: | | WrongPlanet.net an anti-christian site? |
No, just very potent against people who do not know how to practice "Clean and undefiled religion before the Elohim and Father ... to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world." (James 1:27)
| superboyian wrote: | | Isn't WrongPlanet supposed to be a site accepting people who they are regardless of anything? |
Accepting someone as s/he is does not necessarily include automatically also accepting his or her unacceptable behaviour.
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