awes
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Social States eliminate the natural selection. Low IQs will reproduce themselves much more frequently than high IQs. And sometimes a low IQ family will give birth to a higher IQ child. I think our society doesn't allow the natural evolution via natural selection to go on any more. It's in a balance with a light inflation. But today there is another kind of evolution, the social/scientific evolution which has nothing to do with dna. It rises much faster than the genetical one and has much bigger influence on our lifes. I hope soon the genetical research will be able and allowed to manipulate humans dna to make them match to our future needs quicklier than in the course of thousands of years.
but why should aspergians be that much better than NTs? I believe that a very intelligent aspergian is more worth than a very intelligent NT since he has much more liberties in thinking but a stupid aspergian is maybe even worse than a stupid NT since normal plebs have at least their natural drives and so on to survive and reproduce themselves. don't you think?
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Gh0st
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I thought of aspergers as maybe being a beneficial mutation when I first heard this line in X-men
| Quote: | Professor Charles Xavier: Heterochromia was in reference to your eyes which I have to say are stunning. One green, one blue. It's a mutation. It's a very groovy mutation. I've got news for you, Amy. You are a mutant.
Co-Ed: First you proposition a girl, then you call her deformed. How is that seduction technique working for you?
Professor Charles Xavier: I'll tell you in the morning. No, seriously, you mustn't knock it. Mutation took us from single-celled organisms to being the dominant form of reproductive life on this planet. Infinite forms of variation with each generation, all through mutation.
Co-Ed: Then let's reclaim that word. Mutant and proud. |
But all fiction aside I like the idea of being different and being proud of it because if I was not different life would just be boring. Mutant and proud.
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Thom_Fuleri
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| Quote: | | Professor Charles Xavier: Heterochromia was in reference to your eyes which I have to say are stunning. One green, one blue. It's a mutation. It's a very groovy mutation. I've got news for you, Amy. You are a mutant. |
I am currently struggling to imagine Patrick Stewart using the word "groovy". |
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Gh0st
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| It was in X-men first class so it wasn't Patrick Stewart who said it. |
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| Aspie domination would lead to procreation or the will and desire to procreate with one another and thus eliminate the NTs, how?? I am not seeing how this evolution theory is even feasible. |
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Caesaran
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: woah hold up! |
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I remember reading in an article that AS in the past usually occurred during times of famine.
due to some aspies being anti-social, it would make sense that we would relocate ourselves to a more plentiful area then individuals would flock to this pioneer, probably hungry females (i guess the lucky bastard would provide food for sex) then the AS traits get passed on.
basically, we help spread civilization.
now i have a theory that AS is linked to the gaia theory. AS is affected by environment correct? well i believe earth helped produce AS so it reproduce by having us help it reproduce by having us develop the tech for terraforming and space travel. |
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ruveyn
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since the percentage of people on the Autism spectrum are not increasing in a significant way in the general population, I would say being on the Autism Spectrum is NOT a reproductive advantage. If a mutation did impart a reproductive advantage its occurrence would increase in a fairly obvious manner in not that many generations.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy-Weinberg_principle
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Thom_Fuleri
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: Re: woah hold up! |
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| Caesaran wrote: | | now i have a theory that AS is linked to the gaia theory. AS is affected by environment correct? well i believe earth helped produce AS so it reproduce by having us help it reproduce by having us develop the tech for terraforming and space travel. |
That's hopelessly optimistic. If the planet wants to get rid of us, it merely needs to wipe us out, not help us to leave willingly. And it would be very easy for an aware environment to do that - viral epidemic would be the obvious way. |
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Jono
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | since the percentage of people on the Autism spectrum are not increasing in a significant way in the general population, I would say being on the Autism Spectrum is NOT a reproductive advantage. If a mutation did impart a reproductive advantage its occurrence would increase in a fairly obvious manner in not that many generations.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardy-Weinberg_principle
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Autism has been around for a long time though, centuries before it formally discovered by Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger. So, it's not really decreasing much either. However, I also do not believe that it's a reproductive advantage and in fact actually is a disadvantage compared the general population even though some people on the autism spectrum evidently do reproduce. |
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MyFutureSelfnMe
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Natural selection doesn't really function these days except in the extreme cases of people with defects that completely prevent them from living or from reproducing (and with fertility treatments the latter is also not happening often). For this reason, my personal opinion is that people who have even potentially genetic health problems that would have killed, crippled or rendered them infertile barring modern medical technology should not naturally reproduce.
Anyway, mutations are probably now occurring nearly unchecked, and a lot of them are probably not beneficial. The good news is that they aren't happening quickly, and it's inconceivable that the skyrocketing autism rate can be attributed to genetic mutation.
I make good money with a talent that is probably largely due to my mild AS, but it causes problems in personal relationships. It's a tradeoff. I have no idea whether the latter problem would be less significant if I were surrounded by other aspies. They would probably have to be the more extroverted type of aspies.
Actually, now that I think of it, I was in a relationship for a while with a girl I now suspect of having had mild AS (probably in addition to other issues). I think the only problems we had were related to her issues other than AS. |
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Some threads just dont stay dead.
Autism and aspergers are indeed probably large genetic.
They are endemic to the human population.
We, the minority so afflicted, are niether becoming more common nor less common in the population.
We are NOT the next stage in evolution.
Were just gonna exist in the same minority numbers as always.
There is no reproductive advantage to AS that I can think of.
The only scenario I can think of would be if something like AIDS were to become even worse than AIDS. NT's and folks with ADHD tend to be more sexually active than aspies. So a sexually transmitted disease like AIDS might decimate the NT population but not aspies. And after many generations aspies would prevail. That is to say- lack of social skills would become an advantage, and having social skills would become deadly- so deadly that it would snuff you before you reproduced. So the dork fourty year old virgin types would prevail. And the popular socially skilled people would start dropping like flies. |
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katie123166
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well im 12 and im an aspie and im taking life science ill ask my teacher on monday he's nice and btw im gonna try to find a cure for asperger's and my daddy said tht he's gonna help me  |
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katie123166
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and my mommy said one time at dairy queen that one day almost all people will be autistic and one time i dated an aspie he was sooo sweet i miss him  he gave me his number but i lost it |
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katie123166
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| ooh there's about 2 b something on the local news on asd!! im gonna go watch it when it comes on but it's commercials right now |
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Thom_Fuleri
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| katie123166 wrote: | | well im 12 and im an aspie and im taking life science ill ask my teacher on monday he's nice and btw im gonna try to find a cure for asperger's and my daddy said tht he's gonna help me |
I don't think it can be cured. It's a developmental thing - it affects the way your brain develops as you grow up. If you were to change that, you'd technically be changing the person.
But you might be able to find a way to prevent new cases. |
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