techstepgenr8tion
that chatty American
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 Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: |
I understand. I think in situations such as fighting in the street, those kind of styles could be very helpful. Although, I would say more so for and against the common man. I also believe that these MMA fighters, and specifically Hendo/Shogun would be more readily capable of handling someone in the street than most people in the world, regardless of the fact that they do pace themselves in their fights at times. |
True, I think on the streets its quantity and weapons more than going up against anyone particularly well trained (and usually someone well-trained won't be looking for trouble).
| Pondering wrote: | However, I disagree about it being too real and ugly for MMA, and I am not trying to bring up a big argument like in the past (I also did not read the big argument although I saw some of it) so excuse me if I am bringing the same things up that have been in the past. Anywho, many fighters fight with that mentality you mentioned. The problem is, most of the fighters who use it end up getting trampled on by much better fighters with better skill sets and game plans. Many professional fighters who train daily and often 100 percent are more hardened individuals than the common trained fighting man who gets in street fights, so taking a well trained opponent out like that is often much more difficult than it would be if you were faced with defending yourself against a thug or someone of that nature. To go kind of berserk, trying to take an opponent out quickly who is likely very skilled and hardy would likely be a negative use of remaining energy and put you in vulnerable positions. Now if you are faced with someone that lacks skill, I do believe your method of dealing with someone wouldn't be that bad of an idea.
Have you seen the Fedor Vs Henderson fight? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68C6RYCXUmg for the vid just in case you haven't. At about 4:26 Fedor did pretty much what you explained, and it really hurt him, costing him a knockout loss and concussion from being over confident in his standing strikes and ground and pound. See, in fights like this, with fighters like that it is not always a good idea to roll that way. In a street fight though, rarely does someone know how to escape from the bottom and throw a vicious hook off his knees/crouched like Henderson did, or anything else for that matter. Most people just know how to throw punches and some kicks standing. I also wonder if you have seen Fedor's fight with Fabricio Werdum. Fedor threw a flurry of punches, which Werdum responded to via butt flopping, tricking Fedor into having a go at ground and pound, then falling into a triangle choke. In MMA fights like this, where you have very highly skilled fighters, it's just not a great idea to use the mentality that Fedor uses these days. You could easily get caught up in something you don't want to be in. Notice in that Hendo vs Fedor fight, they were going hard the entire time, but all it took was one mistake by Fedor being over confident and focused on pounding Henderson into the mat, that caused him his demise. Fedor wasn't even that hurt before he got Ko'd, but all it took was that escape by Hendo and a swift uppercut to the chin of Fedor and the fight was over. |
It looked like he ended up in a bad position (against the fence), didn't have his posture, and I think the trouble was he didn't have Henderson softened up enough yet to go for it the way he did which as a result had him chasing Henderson all over the ring until he was in a bad position for the ground and pound. I completely agree that you don't want to rush in with a preplanned blitz and hope that the first punch works with no disaster plan. The way we train is that these kinds of things start happening once they're already backpedaling, off balance, disoriented, etc., and I'm sure a lot of these guys are doing just that. Seems like any time you lose control of the fight - either on the offensive or defensive, its a problem.
| Pondering wrote: | | Again, I find it hard to compute what you are saying, in the last part. Some people prefer to fight certain ways, because they feel more comfortable with it at the time. I don't think they were blatantly giving away chances to win the fight. Could you explain what you mean? It is a combat sport, like boxing, kickboxing, ect... They all have rounds. I believe if everyone was just fighting til they could no longer fight no more, it would a lot of the time be very boring to watch, as many fighters would have to pace themselves even more, due to there being no breaks. I could imagine seeing a bunch of gassed zombies barely able to lift an arm if the fight did not go their way and end quickly. In a way, having rounds actually encourages action, because if it does go to a decision you could lose. and have you seen the toughness and heart these pro guys have? Due to that fact in many cases, taking the well trained pro fighter out is not so much an option. |
It seemed like they were saying by five round match that the fight is supposed to last five rounds and that the fighters are supposed to pace themselves accordingly. I took it that way because it looked as if that's what the fighters were doing. Nothing at all wrong with giving the guys a break to regroup if its gone on for five minutes but if they're told that they're not allowed to drop the other guy until the last of five rounds (for the advertisers, viewers, or whatever else) its a bit like the advertisers and financial end of the business essentially destroying the product. |
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amboxer21
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Age: 26
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Location: New Jersey
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I boxed for 5 years. Record is 15-3 And a broken rib ended my career.
I'm the spanish guy in the red shorts lol
MMA is awesome. I woudn't mind learning but the $700 a month I get from SSI isn't a lot of money and MMA in my area it costs $150 a month. Then there is my $100 cell phone bill, $50 DVM fines, insurance, etc. so.... yeah. |
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