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hyperbolic
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 Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Firefox 2.0 sucks |
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I have downloaded and installed Internet Explorer 7.0 and Firefox 2.0 on my PC.
IE 7.0 crashed once after trying to load a flash file via a plug-in that is apparently incompatible with the new version. Other than that, my user experience so far has been faultless. The new GUI is very different; once learned, however, it is both quick and easy to use.
Firefox 2.0, on the other hand, CRASHES on Wrong Planet and on several other of my favorite sites. The built-in spell-checking feature seems to have a dictionary that is a bit incomplete. The interface has been modified to an extent, and, in my opinion, looks a bit uglier now. Switching between tabs is slower, something which I had also noticed in the 2.0 pre-release developer builds.
Any one else have any comments on their experience with the new browsers? |
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hartzofspace
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: firefox .20 sucks |
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Maybe that explains why my system crashed twice while visiting WP.
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atxa
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Firefox 2.0 |
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| xon wrote: |
Firefox 2.0, on the other hand, CRASHES on Wrong Planet and on several other of my favorite sites. The built-in spell-checking feature seems to have a dictionary that is a bit incomplete. The interface has been modified to an extent, and, in my opinion, looks a bit uglier now. Switching between tabs is slower, something which I had also noticed in the 2.0 pre-release developer builds.
Any one else have any comments on their experience with the new browsers? |
I use it since 7 days at home and at work and I didn't get any bad experiences.
Did you uninstalled previous version before install the 2.0, maybe that it could help, maybe that you use some XPI that is not compatible with 2.0. |
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ljbouchard
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| Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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So far, I am not impressed with Firefox 2.0 either. It crashes when I try to load Acrobat Reader. You are right about the dictionary too.
I also downloaded IE7. I did not have any of the crashes and need to get used to the UI. One issue I have is that it keeps asking me if I want to allow it to have access to the clipboard. Since my work requires quite a bit of cutting and pasting, that gets annoying real fast.
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Psychlone
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| The bugs will be ironed out after a patch or two. Such things are to be expected with new versions of software. |
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ljbouchard
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| Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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So what you are saying is that no one should download/purchase a new version of software until it has been patched once or twice. They will never find the bugs if that happens
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Psychlone
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| ljbouchard wrote: | | So what you are saying is that no one should download/purchase a new version of software until it has been patched once or twice. They will never find the bugs if that happens |
I am using 2.0 and I admit there are some problems, but I understand these problems are only temporary. I'll just suffer through them until they are fixed. |
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Kamex
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
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(Forgive me if I sound a tad bit cranky. I didn't sleep and I'm cheesed off over a number of problems right now. Just FYI)
| atxa wrote: | I use it since 7 days at home and at work and I didn't get any bad experiences.
Did you uninstalled previous version before install the 2.0, maybe that it could help, maybe that you use some XPI that is not compatible with 2.0. |
XPIs have that maxversion variable to prevent that, so that could only happen if he/she was hacking around with them. As for uninstalling old versions, that was fixed long ago, I believe with the release of 1.5. Even before then, no modern software, aside from beta software, should ever need this, and if it does, in my book, it is a bug.
Sigh...I still remember back with the 1.0.x security patches how people were told to ignore the update prompts because it would mess everything up. Then, when something did go wrong even if you uninstalled the old version, you'd be told it was your fault because Firefox barfed up your old profile and you need to make a new one. It seems those profiles are only something that exists on a permanent basis if you never upgrade or use extensions. Otherwise, you have to keep pasting your data to new profiles. I don't know if I have time for that.
Speaking of extensions, on one hand, it is claimed that Firefox doesn't need a decent feature set because people can just download extensions. At the same time, if you're browser's bugging up because of extensions, it's not considered an inherent problem of the browser, and you should blame the extension authors rather than the people who created the reason for needing all that junk in the first place.
I also don't care much for the pseudo-charity that makes the thing, Mozilla. They're a for-profit company just like Microsoft or anyone else, not the children-in-ogola-bogola-are-starving-send-them-food oufit they make themselves out to be. There's a reason why that little Mozilla Corporation legal loophole was needed. I donated to them thinking it was for a good cause but they were making a killing behind everyone's back, making my money just a way to fatten their wallets even more.
Mozilla claims to be a champion for disabled people by supporting web standards, yet their browser is at least as tolerant of bad code as IE. Meanwhile, they prove themselves even worse hippocrites in that right via their ties with Google. Many claim Microsoft, rather than stupid web developers who don't do their research, are the ultimate enemy of the standards movement, which is massive fabrication (the IE team are big supporters of web standards and Microsoft is a member of the W3C). Meanwhile, Google, a company that I might add also has a near-monopoly just like M$, has what is hands-down the most poorly constructed homepage out of any major search engine, and Firefox's little start page is similarly constructed. Oh well, I guess blind people'll have to live in 1960 for a little while longer, eh?
| ljbouchard wrote: | | I also downloaded IE7. I did not have any of the crashes and need to get used to the UI. One issue I have is that it keeps asking me if I want to allow it to have access to the clipboard. Since my work requires quite a bit of cutting and pasting, that gets annoying real fast. |
Go to Tools > Internet Options > Security, and click on the "Custom Level" button. Scroll near the bottom to the "scripts" section, and you can tell it to disable, enable, or prompt for clipboard access. Though it can be turned off, I agree, it's pretty dumb they do it this way, particularly since you have to endtask the damn thing afterwards to get it to shut up.
I'm using IE7 at the moment. A month ago I was a Firefox user. Two months ago I was an Opera user. 3 months, an IE7 Beta User, 4 months, a Firefox user. My problem is that I find all these browsers are so horrible I can't decide which I hate the least. Personally, I hate IE's new GUI. The back and forward buttons are at the farthest possible point from the page, despite the fact that they are the most frequently used. Meanwhile, it really still isn't secure and there's no way in hell I'm going surfing for roms with that thing, even now that I'm using it for normal activities. With regards to the quality assurance, I think its appalling. Many of these bugs are ones that have been there at least since I downloaded RC1 a god awful long time ago and they've been too busy redecorating the refresh and stop buttons to care. |
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Xenon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Methinks I'll stay with Firefox 1.5 (1.5.0.7 to be exact) for the time being...
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dgd1788
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Firefox owns!
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Internet Explorer has always been slightly better than Firefox in terms of memory usage, web rendering speed, and compatibility. People just turn a blind eye toward the few things Microsoft actually does right. Either that, or they're savvy enough to realize both pale in comparison to Opera. |
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fujikochan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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I've found that Firefox 2 locks up when loading large files or running too many processes. I've had the Acrobat Reader issue too, intermittently. I rather enjoy the new spell checker though  .
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Kamex
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The fact that most pages work with Internet Explorer isn't because Microsoft is good at making a layout engine, it's because people code their sites with syntax errors in them, then only test to see if IE is able to fix them. Different layout engines are able to correct different bugs, and I could easily make a site that functioned perfectly in Firefox but totally barfed in IE - you just don't see that out there because most people who code for Firefox are smart enough to realize they need to code for IE too (I repeat, MOST). Some even have the brains to learn the language properly and not make errors in the first place, but they seem to be a rarity. Though I suppose it's not a web dev's fault when formal education is teaching them to write this crap.
Since the IE7 update, Firefox has actually become better at rendering pages than IE. This is because many particularly clueless web developers, who had over a year to find out about IE7, and over 6 months to test their sites with it, remain clueless the browser even exists. IE7 only makes some small changes to the layout engine, but even the slightest alterations can change the errors it can fix. Hence, I have two web sites I can't visit without switching to Firefox. In one, the navbar is positioned wrongly, and in the other, no links on the top half of the page can be clicked.
Both Trident and Gecko, IE and Firefox's layout engines respectively, have excellent standards support. With a few exceptions on Trident, if a page breaks in either of them, it's the web developers fault. Regardless of what he/she, or his/her customers may think.
Yes, the spell checker is quite nice. I've wanted something like that in a browser for ages, and its good to see Firefox coming around by adding some useful things instead of leaving it to extensions. |
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Pikachu
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I am using Firefox 2 on my laptop, which runs Linux, only problem I have had so far is it crashing on flash applets which I soon fixed after some short searching online, It also is installed on the 2 windows xp machines in the house, no problems have been reported yet, so all in all I am impressed  |
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bjmax31
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it keeps timing out on me!!!
 or it could be my isp again!  |
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