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WilliamWDelaney Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject: Feminist preoccupation with power |
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Hey, look! Another left-leaning ideology that pisses me off! The problem is that, in this case, I agree with the goals and core principles of it, but there are aspects of feminist ideology that I can get a little frustrated and impatient with. One such aspect is the belief by many retarded feminist trolls out there that anyone who disagrees with any aspect of feminism, no matter how pathetically weak, is a misogynist and obsessed with "putting women in their place." Another one that gets on my nerves is the widespread mindset that acknowledging any congenital difference between men and women, besides examples of how evil and moronic men are, means you think women are inferior. Some people don't believe I've encountered such imbecilic rubbish. Well, if you can't take my word for it, I would sooner take a warm dump on your eye than argue with you.
Anyway, let me blast off for a while about the feminist preoccupation with "power": it's stupid. You get that? It is stupidity in its purest form. The vibe that I get off of a lot of mainstream feminists is that every aspect of male behavior is an expression of a nonexistent male preoccupation with "power," and it seems to extend into areas that don't actually make any sense. For example, I was in a discussion with a feminist once involving the gender disparity in engineering fields, and she bore the belief that there was some kind of "glass ceiling" somehow keeping women out. The discussion went south from there, and she came up with some very stupid theories relating to this, all centered around the idea that anything you see men doing that women don't is somehow related to this nonexistent male obsession with "power" and "control."
There are aspects of being a guy that have nothing whatsoever to do with having power over things. For example, there is this weird thing in guy culture about collecting useless junk. You can tune into History channel and watch this show called American Pickers, and they are selling unbelievably useless trash for thousands of US dollars. Old ladies collect antiques and depression glass. Old men apparently collect useless rusted pieces of junk.
Somehow, I know that there is a feminist out there who would try to interpret that behavior in terms of the "male ego" and the "male obsession with power" that doesn't exist. The problem is that it's perfectly useless for me to try to propose any other possible explanation because the kinds of retarded clods who think about gender in this way don't want to hear any explanation for things besides their absolutely asinine (and increasingly annoying) belief that you can explain all gender disparity in terms of power and privilege.
Now, just to piss more people off than I already have, I'll violate another feminist taboo that I hate, which is attributing gender-related behaviors to biology. Oh, there is nothing that feminists hate more: if you even DARE credit any behavioral difference between men and women to biology, rather than culture, you are guilty of thinking that women are inherently inferior to men, even if you don't. It doesn't matter what your actual beliefs are: as soon as you violated this holy tenant of the feminist Torah, you were transformed, in the feminist mind, into the Great Satan. You are an infidel! You are an unbeliever! You are doomed to male patriarchial Hell for all eternity!
You see, I love to talk about the neurohormone vasopressin. It's related to oxytocin, and both of them have a reverse feedback loop with nitric oxide in which vasopressin/oxytocin stimulates NO- production. Oxytocin is particularly important in temperature regulation: under cold stimulus, it helps with your circulation at your extremities. It also induces "cuddling" behavior, and this is probably related to the fact that there is a large concentration of birthdays around the month of September.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Science/story?id=990641#.T3jC0PBrPQA
However, vasopressin is more important for fluid homeostasis, and its effects on behavior are highly weird and contradictory. The sticking point is that it is involved in the formation of marital pair-bonds, and this is the behavioral effect of vasopressin that makes it relevant to men who collect useless junk. Ladies, if you are considering a long-term relationship, never trust a guy who doesn't value his rubbish. Anyway, the gist of my theory is that instinctive hoarding behavior in men could be related to pair-bonding behavior, which would explain why every married man over 40 has a garage full of useless filth.
Anyway, you might wonder how this ties in with my objections to the feminist preoccupation with power, but here is the secret to understanding this entire post: the worth of my retarded, useless theories are not the driving point here. If you post a response that is related to my useless, unintelligible, rubbish attempts to play armchair scientist, you are either trying to be obnoxious on purpose or a retarded moron...or both. This isn't intended as a scientific discussion, but it's intended to express my annoyance of a phenomenon that has been driving me absolutely insane. The grievance is with an aspect of feminist ideology that leads to a complete severance with reason.
The human psyche does not revolve around power, and gender disparities haven't always been due to men grasping for control. Women, during ancient and medieval times, were perfectly capable of controlling their own destinies. They were not forced to be subservient to men. In a lot of ways, it was their idea. It was Woman's idea to present themselves as delicate and fragile. It was woman's idea to ask Man to play the "Knight in Shining Armor." All the men were ever interested in was figuring out the best way to convince their girlfriends to screw them. They never sought unchecked power and authority over the lives of half of the species. Men throughout history have been willing to kill themselves to convince their women that they care. Nothing is being imposed upon you, just because you have a vagina.
The problem with this power-oriented concept of feminism is that it is gasoline on the fire of the antiquated idea that women are somehow being forced into subservient positions, and it comes out as unreasoning anger. It causes otherwise intelligent, sometimes remarkably intelligent women to behave like paranoid, delusional morons. This departure from reason makes intelligent discussion impossible. I cannot have an intelligent or worthwhile discussion with someone who has her guard up because she suffers from a delusional fantasy that the world is out to rape her. It turns into adolescent name-calling, which is degrading to everyone involved. There is more to life than power, and there is something seriously wrong with your sex life if power is even a prominent aspect of it. A real lover is just obsessed with making you happy.
Anyway, just wanted to get that rant out of my system. Gone. |
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HisDivineMajesty Carolingian Emperor Extraordinaire


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Although I agree with close to everything you said, there's something I'd like to make clear. It's not just a left-leaning thing. Many feminists I've met were actually quite authoritarian in non-gender fields and supported perverse amounts of deregulation. Personally, I'm a socialist (pragmatically a social democrat), but I've found that this is one of the very few things I can relate to American right-wing groups on. Modern-day feminism, really, consists of flawed argumentation and guilt trips in order to justify their reforms aimed at giving women even more rights at the cost of men who work in dangerous professions in order to provide for them.
There, I said it once more - all feminists I've ever met come from wealthy white families and have never actually had to work. |
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androbot2084 Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| When talking about dangerous professions what about all the danger a woman has to go through whenever she gives birth to a child? |
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HisDivineMajesty Carolingian Emperor Extraordinaire


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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In the developed world, I'd assume that risk to be significantly lower.
Taking into account advanced health care, and taking into account that men in these professions are expected to carry them out continuously for decades, and taking into account that most of them can't keep working until the legal general retirement age due to physical conditions, I'd say women would be better off even if they were continuously pregnant for twenty years. |
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androbot2084 Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| So what you are saying is that if health care became so advanced and women no longer had to give birth but rather chose to have their babies hatched in artificial incubators that this should be a good justification to have the wages of a woman reduced further? |
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ArrantPariah Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Lots of people believe lots of different things. If some women wish to believe such things about men, then fine. There may also be men who believe crazy things about women. |
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androbot2084 Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| So now women are crazy for believing the truth ? |
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webcam Velociraptor


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | androbot2084 wrote: | | When talking about dangerous professions what about all the danger a woman has to go through whenever she gives birth to a child? |
In the developed world, I'd assume that risk to be significantly lower.
Taking into account advanced health care, and taking into account that men in these professions are expected to carry them out continuously for decades, and taking into account that most of them can't keep working until the legal general retirement age due to physical conditions, I'd say women would be better off even if they were continuously pregnant for twenty years. |
That's another thing that bothers me about feminism... Women live longer than men! Stop whining about the dangers of child birth... There are fewer men in this world because we have more dangerous lives either for biological reasons or otherwise. Women are much more well taken care of. They only make a handful of drugs targeted specifically to men, they make a boatload of them specifically for women. How many men get surgery for as many things as women... women live longer cuz we as men spend or work to spend that much more on them!
Plus women already rule the world and have all the power. Cuz we do the whole religion thing for the benefit of men right? That's why only men have to get into heaven right? |
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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I would see this development increasing a woman's pay for the twelve weeks she won't have to spend on maternity leave, but as long as women plan to raise the kids, the men will still get paid more cuz women don't generally accumulate the same level of experience as men. |
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Joker Sinn Fein


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| webcam wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | androbot2084 wrote: | | When talking about dangerous professions what about all the danger a woman has to go through whenever she gives birth to a child? |
In the developed world, I'd assume that risk to be significantly lower.
Taking into account advanced health care, and taking into account that men in these professions are expected to carry them out continuously for decades, and taking into account that most of them can't keep working until the legal general retirement age due to physical conditions, I'd say women would be better off even if they were continuously pregnant for twenty years. |
That's another thing that bothers me about feminism... Women live longer than men! Stop whining about the dangers of child birth... There are fewer men in this world because we have more dangerous lives either for biological reasons or otherwise. Women are much more well taken care of. They only make a handful of drugs targeted specifically to men, they make a boatload of them specifically for women. How many men get surgery for as many things as women... women live longer cuz we as men spend or work to spend that much more on them!
Plus women already rule the world and have all the power. Cuz we do the whole religion thing for the benefit of men right? That's why only men have to get into heaven right? |
Tell that to the women living in Africa and the Middel East parts of asia in China ect |
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androbot2084 Phoenix


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The problem with men is they always come up with an answer to an argument that oppresses women and then they yell checkmate. |
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | webcam wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | androbot2084 wrote: | | When talking about dangerous professions what about all the danger a woman has to go through whenever she gives birth to a child? |
In the developed world, I'd assume that risk to be significantly lower.
Taking into account advanced health care, and taking into account that men in these professions are expected to carry them out continuously for decades, and taking into account that most of them can't keep working until the legal general retirement age due to physical conditions, I'd say women would be better off even if they were continuously pregnant for twenty years. |
That's another thing that bothers me about feminism... Women live longer than men! Stop whining about the dangers of child birth... There are fewer men in this world because we have more dangerous lives either for biological reasons or otherwise. Women are much more well taken care of. They only make a handful of drugs targeted specifically to men, they make a boatload of them specifically for women. How many men get surgery for as many things as women... women live longer cuz we as men spend or work to spend that much more on them!
Plus women already rule the world and have all the power. Cuz we do the whole religion thing for the benefit of men right? That's why only men have to get into heaven right? |
Tell that to the women living in Africa and the Middel East parts of asia in China ect |
I have no problem with seeking gender equality and adjusting for lifestyles, but here it's gotten out of control. |
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Joker Sinn Fein


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| webcam wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | webcam wrote: | | HisDivineMajesty wrote: | | androbot2084 wrote: | | When talking about dangerous professions what about all the danger a woman has to go through whenever she gives birth to a child? |
In the developed world, I'd assume that risk to be significantly lower.
Taking into account advanced health care, and taking into account that men in these professions are expected to carry them out continuously for decades, and taking into account that most of them can't keep working until the legal general retirement age due to physical conditions, I'd say women would be better off even if they were continuously pregnant for twenty years. |
That's another thing that bothers me about feminism... Women live longer than men! Stop whining about the dangers of child birth... There are fewer men in this world because we have more dangerous lives either for biological reasons or otherwise. Women are much more well taken care of. They only make a handful of drugs targeted specifically to men, they make a boatload of them specifically for women. How many men get surgery for as many things as women... women live longer cuz we as men spend or work to spend that much more on them!
Plus women already rule the world and have all the power. Cuz we do the whole religion thing for the benefit of men right? That's why only men have to get into heaven right? |
Tell that to the women living in Africa and the Middel East parts of asia in China ect |
I have no problem with seeking gender equality and adjusting for lifestyles, but here it's gotten out of control. |
When society will treat when as people instead as a gender im sure it will no longer be out of control |
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webcam Velociraptor


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Can you give an example?
Here's another question? Why teach feminism as a women only class? Why not have an "Ethics and Gender Perspectives" class instead and make it mandatory? |
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Joker Sinn Fein


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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| webcam wrote: | | androbot2084 wrote: | | The problem with men is they always come up with an answer to an argument that oppresses women and then they yell checkmate. |
Can you give an example?
Here's another question? Why teach feminism as a women only class? Why not have an "Ethics and Gender Perspectives" class instead and make it mandatory? |
Sure they see some jobs are just sutied for women others are suited for men also I am a feminist so its not just women who are. |
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