Ldub20Owl316
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 Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: Why can't conceited egotists suffer socially instead of us? |
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| Unless there are Aspies who are conceited egotists? Conceited egotists deserve to feel lonely, deserve to watch everybody else succeed and wish they could (but can't), and feel like outcasts! |
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Guybrush_Threepwood
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Judge not, lest thee be judged.
Wisdom from Magic Space Cow (pbuh) whose flatulent discharge created us all.
Very wise words that can be applied for positive change by us all. Even though it may seem that others have a monopoly on social groups and interactions, you in fact determine your place in life. Improve yourself instead of wishing bad tidings upon others. |
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Subotai
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Because that is an evolutionary advantage.
Put in work instead of complaining. This is coming from love BTW, I want to see you improve.
I should follow my own advice more prudently.
Edit: More accurately it is a reflection of your inner state, which itself is a reflection of outer state.
Gain success and it will follow. Not easy I know but that is reality.
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Those people might apear to be succesfull at first glance but you never know what trully goes on inside them. They wont be able to find any true meaning in life unless they change their way of thinking.
Yes they have advantages in some ways over people who are sensitive and more critical of themselves but it also works the other way.
I see the ego driven people in being more able to step up and grab whatever it is they think they want/need because they feel no shame. That is only the first step though in the long run they will not be able to get anything more then superficial satisfaction.
You have the potential to reach far greater insight with whatever you do then they will ever have unless they learn ofc. I see myself and others like me as slow starters with great potential, at some point i realized that all the people around me who had trampled my differences and dangled their greatness in front of my face where holding me back and were nothing that i wanted to aspire to be like any longer. As soon as i stopped looking to my peers on what i needed to do in life to feel better i greatly improved.
Its easy to fall into the trap of comparing yourself to them, its what they base their whole existence around and have become masters at. Getting you down to their level is futile and you can gain nothing from it.
Do not compare yourself with them do not hate them, rather feel sorry because they are trapped and likely will never experience life the way you do.
They will never be able to enjoy nature, read a book, contemplate things etc.
They will never be able to feel happy doing nothing. |
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the_beautiful_mess
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Why can't conceited egotists suffer socially instead of |
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| Ldub20Owl316 wrote: | | Unless there are Aspies who are conceited egotists? Conceited egotists deserve to feel lonely, deserve to watch everybody else succeed and wish they could (but can't), and feel like outcasts! |
I'm not even slightly sorry for saying this: WHAT a pointless question!
1. Of course there are egotistical Aspies, as there are NTs. It's not specific to any sort of person.
2. Just because you're an Aspie, you don't HAVE to feel lonely. I, as an Aspie, struggle greatly with social situations, like nearly all of us, but I try to persevere in everything I do, even things I'm not very good at or dislike, and now, after years of being lonely and having only imaginary friends, I have a small group of close friends. They accept me for who I am, and quite frankly, people who won't aren't worth my time and effort. I'm not saying I'm a saint, because I'm definitely not, I'm just saying that being lonely is not something that HAS to be just because we're Aspies.
3. As I mentioned, and as you can see on my profile, I was diagnosed with Aspergers by a specialist professional, yet I have definitely succeeded in my life. I recently came second in a very prestigious county talent competition, I've won prizes for my short stories and my poetry, and I've learnt to work around the challenges Aspergers presents, even when I've felt completely alone and misunderstood. I've spent three years of my rather short life coping with severe anxiety and depression, and I'm getting through it. I don't want congratulations for any of that, because I know there are people in worse situations who have done more, but my point is that, like being lonely, failure is not a compulsory part of Aspergers. It's harder to succeed, but it's by no means impossible.
4. Yeah, sometimes I feel like an outcast. I'm at a girls' school where I'm the only spectrum kid, and I find it difficult to keep up with social things, again, LIKE NEARLY ALL OF US, but then I come on forums like this, and I see there are 66,000 members on this website alone, and ALL those people are in some way affected by a spectrum disorder. There are over half a million people on the spectrum in the UK alone, so how can I be alone? I'm only an outcast if I let myself be one.
You're flogging a dead horse!
...Rant over.
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BuyerBeware
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Because they're "normal" and we're "not."
It's their world.
Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in horse poop.
It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. Thinking those things matter is part of the disease.
It simply IS. There are 150 or 110 or 88 or 33 of them for every 1 of us.
It's their world, they make the rules.
Learn to live with it.
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the_beautiful_mess
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| Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| BuyerBeware wrote: | | It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. Thinking those things matter is part of the disease. |
Aspergers is not a disease.
Also, none of these negative posts are going to change anything, so either stand up, be counted, and do something to change the world that we all know is unfair to Aspies, or shut up and be miserable on your own without inflicting it upon everyone else.
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Keeno
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Basically it comes down to confidence, which people like. It also comes down to boldness, which people also like. Because people like confidence and boldness, conceited egotists just aren't going to suffer as much.
Confidence and boldness are indeed evolutionary advantages. Shyness is not, therefore it is hated (unfortunately). I guess the best thing to do is build up as much boldness as you can, an easier thing to do if you can close any loopholes via which trauma can strike you.
Asperger's is not the direct opposite of conceited egotism. There's a wee bit of overlap between the two, which I can see both on WrongPlanet and in real life. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| the_beautiful_mess wrote: | | BuyerBeware wrote: | | It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. Thinking those things matter is part of the disease. |
Aspergers is not a disease.
Also, none of these negative posts are going to change anything, so either stand up, be counted, and do something to change the world that we all know is unfair to Aspies, or shut up and be miserable on your own without inflicting it upon everyone else. |
Tell that to Temple Grandin. Aspies from her generation really DID fare better. For a reason.
Tell that to Temple Grandin-- or anyone else who's managed to LIVE.
As opposed to barely survive. Which is what most of the new generation is visibly doing.
I don't like it any more than you do. I've spent a decade and a half telling anyone I could find that it's wrong.
You know what?? I was right-- it was wrong. Was, is, always will be.
My mistake was in thinking that right and wrong actually count for something down here on Earth. They don't.
It is what it is.
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Because this society caters to them at the moment...apparently its a good thing to be that way if you want to succeed by this societies standards.
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Sweetleaf
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| Subotai wrote: | Because that is an evolutionary advantage.
Put in work instead of complaining. This is coming from love BTW, I want to see you improve.
I should follow my own advice more prudently.
Edit: More accurately it is a reflection of your inner state, which itself is a reflection of outer state.
Gain success and it will follow. Not easy I know but that is reality.
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how is it an evolutionary advantage for people to have conceited egotistic attitude? I feel like people working against people is not necessarily a step in the right direction.
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| BuyerBeware wrote: | Because they're "normal" and we're "not."
It's their world.
Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in horse poop.
It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong. Thinking those things matter is part of the disease.
It simply IS. There are 150 or 110 or 88 or 33 of them for every 1 of us.
It's their world, they make the rules.
Learn to live with it. |
No its not their world, there is no law anywhere in the world that says 'This world is for neurotypicals, if you're not one then you're an outsider.
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I think we should just see if we can find loyal people actually worth trusting, especially since the status quo is so often wrong or fundamentally flawed.
Isolation, however, is cowardice.
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