| What happens when we die, most likely in your opinion? |
| We go on to the 'other side', be it Heaven, Hell, another dimension, etc |
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| We simply stop existing. Worm food. |
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| Our consciousness is recycled into another being. Reincarnation of some sort. |
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CoMF
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You go into cardiac arrest and your brain ceases to function? 
But seriously, I don't know. However, if I retain my consciousness after I die in some form of afterlife and I possess the means to communicate with the living, I'll be sure to let you know. |
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abacacus
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| Grebels wrote: | | Quote: | Wait. Better example. If the brain is so irrelevant to our conscious, explain amnesia. Brain damage can make it so that you can longer form any new memories. Your conscious is then damaged, you are no longer the same person. You constantly revert back to who you were before. I await your explanation for this...
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As Donnie says. Nobody knows a lot about consciousness and definite opinions about something the experts cannot agree on are necessarily dodgy. Just imagine one radio breaking down and saying the transmitter has stopped working. You make an assumption that consciousness is inside the head and fit your beliefs round that. I think many of us get trapped in our own frame of reference. I try to break free of that. There are many things which suggest a lot is going on outside the individual head. Oh, not back to Jung again. If I were good at Philosophy I'd be reading Alfred Whitehead. As it is it takes me a lot of time to get through one page of his work, then I give up. There are things I don't know about, now isn't that slightly scary? |
You are correct. However, you're also branching in to spiritual pseudo-science just like donnie_darko does so often. Given what we know now, I'll eat a cow patty if there is some kind of eternal ever existing conscious. It's the same hooey that christianity tries to sell with a different name.
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Pseudo-science is the biggest branch of science there is.
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | abacacus wrote: |
Wait. Better example. If the brain is so irrelevant to our conscious, explain amnesia. Brain damage can make it so that you can longer form any new memories. Your conscious is then damaged, you are no longer the same person. You constantly revert back to who you were before. I await your explanation for this... |
When I turn off my FM radio, I no longer hear 'Call Me Maybe' by Carly Rae Jepsen. Does that mean that my radio created that song?
I think the brain is an amplifier and a receiver of consciousness, but not the actual source of it. It's relevant yes, but it's not necessarily the source of consciousness itself. |
Objection, you Honor!.....speculation.
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Grebels
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| Yes slave, it's speculation, but what else is there? Will science ever be able to answer questions about consciousness when all we have to examine it is consciousness itself. However, I do have ideas about it which are personal to me and come from my own experience. The radio receiver concept is a bit New Agey for me, although it explains a lot. I think the truth of the matter is very much more complicated. |
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shrox
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AspieOtaku
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We rot in the ground and fertilize the grass the very essence that kept us animated is no more and joins with the rest of the universe. If there is an afterlife i think it is like being aleep forever until reincarnation occurs and perhaps people on the spectrum are people reincarnated from animals like cats. "meow"
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WilliamWDelaney
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| Grebels wrote: | | As Donnie says. Nobody knows a lot about consciousness and definite opinions about something the experts cannot agree on are necessarily dodgy. |
I doubt you have the patience to read the material on this subject that I do. Most people don't. I probably couldn't get you halfway through basic remedial material on the subject before you got fed up with it and took a nap. I am a cure for insomnia. Anyway, if you can get yourself through the basics, I am confident that you would find neuroscience to be a satisfying and fun subject to explore. You just have to cut your teeth. Get your first taste of blood.
| Quote: | | There are things I don't know about, now isn't that slightly scary? |
Not really. Whenever I find a new aspect of something that I thought I knew most of what there was to know about and realize that there is more to it than I thought, I roll my eyes, sigh, and promise to get a good night's sleep before starting on a new task. I'm telling you, making progress in getting a grasp on a new subject can make you dizzy, occasionally nauseous, but it leaves you with a smug sense of predatory satisfaction when you have made some new inroads. |
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Grebels
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William, thanks for your reply. I've begun a new thread as my train of though would be off topic.
New thread on consciousness |
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dank
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We go on to the 'other side', be it Heaven, Hell, another dimension, etc
- I could only believe this if I wasn't concerned with evidence to support my thoughts. It would also help because it's some what of a comforting thought. But I don't tolerate it.
We simply stop existing. Worm food.
- This is me. Nothing I've come across suggests anything but this. Unless you're cremated in which case you aren't worm food.
Our consciousness is recycled into another being. Reincarnation of some sort.
- Reincarnation makes no sense. If this were true, then there would be no increase in population? Unless we extend this to the point of "our consciousness is recycled into multiple bodies". Again though, no evidence so I won't acknowledge it as truth.
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anything but the middle option is created through what people think. I don't think the opinions of people matters when trying to find truth in the world. In anything, it's a counter productive method.
I came to an early conclusion at the age of around 5-6 that there is nothing beyond your own consciousness. At least for you.
thought went along the lines of (with images in my mind):
Me is me, I'm gone. (imagine me).
Earth is the earth, it's gone. (imagine space/earth).
space is space, it's empty. (Image the castness of space).
I'm 24 years old now, and I've come across (as I've said) nothing that has changed my thoughts as a child. I'm content with being here now, what a blessing it is to be alive if only once.
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If our consciousness doesn't exist in our brains, and isn't created in our brains, then how is it we can be changed depending on the condition of the brain? The brain holds us, we were created there. When the brain is gone, so are we. |
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Grebels
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dank, I think it is an over simplification to claim that consciousness does not exist in the brain. A lot of people want things to be concrete, black and white, yes, no. I wonder how death relates to the laws of thermodynamics: energy is never lost. I suppose you think that old body just heats the soil. To be sure the human body has the energy and generates the electricity which makes consciousness possible. Perhaps we can define life as having that energy. Where it all comes from and goes to, that is quite something.
This is an article from a popular magazine,. nothing academic, but it is nice and easy to understand.
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