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Mohammed is written about by people who knew him in his own time and he had descendants and blood relatives. In fact the split the between Shi'iah and Sunni is a Family Feud.
Unlike Jesus, the God on a Stick, there is first person written testimony supporting the existence of Mohammed.
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Muhammed's tomb is in Medina though right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masjid_al-Nabawi
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Not sure. Never did enough research. Wouldn't be overly surprised either way.
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| abacacus wrote: | | Not sure. Never did enough research. Wouldn't be overly surprised either way. |
An honest answer. |
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Interesting  Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus. |
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| Muhammad did exist and you can find the tomb of Jesus in the city of Bethelham where is was laid to rest. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| CrazyCatLord wrote: | Interesting Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus. |
Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Interesting Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus. |
Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.
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I believe Christ was a man just like any other and I accept him as the founder of my faith all religions are man made. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Joker wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Interesting Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus. |
Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
I believe Christ was a man just like any other and I accept him as the founder of my faith all religions are man made. |
I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Interesting Although I think in case of Muhammad, it makes little difference if he existed or not. We know that someone in the Arab world had a look at Judeo-Christian religious texts, liked what he saw, and wrote his own, somewhat plagiaristic book that came to be known as the Quran. That could have been Muhammad or somebody who made up Muhammad as a story character. In the end, it doesn't really matter.
I think the questionable historicity of Jesus is different insofar that Jesus was supposed to be the superpowered son of god who returned from the dead. That makes his existence a lot less believable than that of any mortal person mentioned in the Bible, the Tanakh or the Quran. There is little reason to doubt that the existence of Abraham or Saul/Paul of Tarsus, for example. Whereas Jesus' believability is more akin to that of the Greek demigods Heracles and Perseus. |
Like Islam, Christianity just couldn't have appeared out of nowhere without a founder, even if you believe Christ was only a man.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
I believe Christ was a man just like any other and I accept him as the founder of my faith all religions are man made. |
I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
As does mine also I do accept Muhammad as one of the many prophets. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: Yes he existed. |
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| Kraichgauer wrote: |
I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
When Christ, the man, took a dump, did he produce Holy Sh*t?
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: |
I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
When Christ, the man, took a dump, did he produce Holy Sh*t?
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You know what, you might get a message here soon. I did request that this thread be to spur interesting discussion, not juvenile remarks. Must I quote the rules to a man as wise as yourself? |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: |
I'm pretty certain Christ the man existed. My faith tells me he was also God.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
When Christ, the man, took a dump, did he produce Holy Sh*t?
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He was human, so he defecated as his body required.
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