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thedaywalker
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| do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
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snapcap
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I think it should be used in a controlled setting on people with mental problems, like depression and anxiety, much like sodium thiopental(I think?) was used by WWII doctors to treat the acute neurosis of soldiers.
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| The government has no authority to tell me what I can and can't put into my body. |
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Sweetleaf
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| snapcap wrote: | | I think it should be used in a controlled setting on people with mental problems, like depression and anxiety, much like sodium thiopental(I think?) was used by WWII doctors to treat the acute neurosis of soldiers. |
I like the idea of LSD to help with depression and anxiety, though it depends on the controlled setting, for instance some dreary hospital room is certainly not the place for an LSD trip so the controlled setting should be out in nature as that is the way to trip.
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WilliamWDelaney
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: lsd |
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| thedaywalker wrote: | | do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260166/news/world/lsd-may-be-behind-miami-face-eating-attack-police-say
Maybe. I'd honestly have to see a credible report on how legalization of the drug would impact crime statistics and other issues. |
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snapcap
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: lsd |
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| WilliamWDelaney wrote: | | thedaywalker wrote: | | do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260166/news/world/lsd-may-be-behind-miami-face-eating-attack-police-say
Maybe. I'd honestly have to see a credible report on how legalization of the drug would impact crime statistics and other issues. |
From your article:
| Quote: | "We've had at least two incidents in the past couple of months with people claiming they took a new form of LSD and complained of feeling a burning sensation that forced them to take their clothes off and led them to become very violent," he said.
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It's not LSD, most likely MDPV, the ingredient in bath salts people ingest to get high.
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one can never tell how a person may react to a dose of L.S.D.
i tried lsd twice, and it is an extremely powerful drug.
i can see that some people with less than firm grasps on their "realities" may be ripped away to oblivion by the depersonalizing aspects of the drug.
i do not think it should be legalized because it is too strong. |
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Jacoby
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: lsd |
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| WilliamWDelaney wrote: | | thedaywalker wrote: | | do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260166/news/world/lsd-may-be-behind-miami-face-eating-attack-police-say
Maybe. I'd honestly have to see a credible report on how legalization of the drug would impact crime statistics and other issues. |
I won't believe any of these stories until the toxicology report comes back. Speculation about cocaine, bath salts, LSD, or whatever is just baseless speculation that is being drummed up because someone has an agenda. I would think it would be PCP if anything but who knows. |
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WilliamWDelaney
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: lsd |
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| snapcap wrote: | | WilliamWDelaney wrote: | | thedaywalker wrote: | | do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260166/news/world/lsd-may-be-behind-miami-face-eating-attack-police-say
Maybe. I'd honestly have to see a credible report on how legalization of the drug would impact crime statistics and other issues. |
From your article:
| Quote: | "We've had at least two incidents in the past couple of months with people claiming they took a new form of LSD and complained of feeling a burning sensation that forced them to take their clothes off and led them to become very violent," he said.
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It's not LSD, most likely MDPV, the ingredient in bath salts people ingest to get high. |
True. And I'm not actually naive enough to confuse the consequences of drug abuse with how the drug would affect people when used responsibly. Actually, I support medicinal LSD. I think that, in the hands of a licensed medical authority, the drug could be put to good use. In a perfect world, we could even have clubs where people could experiment with LSD recreationally, under supervision, but I'm not sure how or if that could ever work.
http://news.yahoo.com/though-still-taboo-lsd-offer-medicinal-benefit-addicts-230900256.html
Besides, if Jobs said it was good, perhaps everyone ought to try it:
http://www.thefix.com/content/steve-jobs-think-different-and-lsd-9143 |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: lsd |
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| Jacoby wrote: | | WilliamWDelaney wrote: | | thedaywalker wrote: | | do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260166/news/world/lsd-may-be-behind-miami-face-eating-attack-police-say
Maybe. I'd honestly have to see a credible report on how legalization of the drug would impact crime statistics and other issues. |
I won't believe any of these stories until the toxicology report comes back. Speculation about cocaine, bath salts, LSD, or whatever is just baseless speculation that is being drummed up because someone has an agenda. I would think it would be PCP if anything but who knows. |
That is kind of what I was thinking....from what the article describes that more sounds like something someone would do on PCP not LSD, but if it was bath salts maybe the chemical in that is a dissassociative like PCP.
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WilliamWDelaney
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: lsd |
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | Jacoby wrote: | | WilliamWDelaney wrote: | | thedaywalker wrote: | | do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260166/news/world/lsd-may-be-behind-miami-face-eating-attack-police-say
Maybe. I'd honestly have to see a credible report on how legalization of the drug would impact crime statistics and other issues. |
I won't believe any of these stories until the toxicology report comes back. Speculation about cocaine, bath salts, LSD, or whatever is just baseless speculation that is being drummed up because someone has an agenda. I would think it would be PCP if anything but who knows. |
That is kind of what I was thinking....from what the article describes that more sounds like something someone would do on PCP not LSD, but if it was bath salts maybe the chemical in that is a dissassociative like PCP. |
Actually, if it was bath salts, we're talking about substances in league with crystal meth. I've seen iced-out dumbasses before while spending rainy nights holed-up in the local Waffle House back during my college days when I had to walk/bike ten miles each way to get to and from campus, and I honestly have no sympathy for the kinds of retarded idiots who dig crystal meth. They are generally jerks when they are not iced-out. Lock them up, and throw away the key.
PCP is not necessarily a violence-inducing drug. For someone who is prepared for the trip and knows how to deal with it, it isn't going to lead to violent behavior. In cases where someone doesn't know to take the paranoia and anxiety with a grain of salt, we're looking at a different animal. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: lsd |
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| WilliamWDelaney wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Jacoby wrote: | | WilliamWDelaney wrote: | | thedaywalker wrote: | | do people here think lsd should remain illegal? why do you think it should or shouldn't be illegal? do you think there is a true basis for it being illegal like there is with cocaine and heroin? do you think it would have politcal impact if it was legalised? |
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/260166/news/world/lsd-may-be-behind-miami-face-eating-attack-police-say
Maybe. I'd honestly have to see a credible report on how legalization of the drug would impact crime statistics and other issues. |
I won't believe any of these stories until the toxicology report comes back. Speculation about cocaine, bath salts, LSD, or whatever is just baseless speculation that is being drummed up because someone has an agenda. I would think it would be PCP if anything but who knows. |
That is kind of what I was thinking....from what the article describes that more sounds like something someone would do on PCP not LSD, but if it was bath salts maybe the chemical in that is a dissassociative like PCP. |
Actually, if it was bath salts, we're talking about substances in league with crystal meth. I've seen iced-out dumbasses before, and I honestly have no sympathy for the kinds of retarded idiots who dig crystal meth. They are generally jerks when they are not iced-out. Lock them up, and throw away the key.
PCP is not necessarily a violence-inducing drug. For someone who is prepared for the trip and knows how to deal with it, it isn't going to lead to violent behavior. In cases where someone doesn't know to take the paranoia and anxiety with a grain of salt, we're looking at a different animal. |
Well lets just say I've ran into people who have used speed in the past or still use it on occasion if they find some, who certainly are not quite how you describe. Though I don't know much about crystal meth specifically maybe there is a difference there? And well I have to stick to drug addiction is a disease not so much a character flaw....however that is not to say someone should get away with horrible crimes that hurt people if they have an addiction.
I don't know that a PCP experience would be considered a trip since as far as I know tripping refers to psychedelic experience....but I kinda put that in the same category as meth and herion, as in drugs I don't plan to indulge in.
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| If it is legalized, the quality of the product can be regulated. Of course it should be legalized. |
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Miami Cannibal Attack: Horrific Dangers of "Bath Salts" Drug
| Quote: | | Bath salts, which have been called the new LSD, cause people “to go completely insane and become very violent,” said Armando Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police told CNN. Also known by street names like “Ivory Wave,” “Vanilla Sky,” “Bliss,” “Dynamite” and “Purple Rain,” bath salts made headlines last year after a torrent of ER visits, thousands of calls to poison control centers, and a number of deaths, including murders and suicides. |
I would't be the least bit surprised that these new drugs are made to be analogs of other drugs, not to merely to circumvent laws prohibiting them, but are knowingly made to be more dangerous alternatives so that it demonizes drugs so that the War on Drugs remains relevant. It sure is a movement that has lost steam.
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| snapcap wrote: | Miami Cannibal Attack: Horrific Dangers of "Bath Salts" Drug
| Quote: | | Bath salts, which have been called the new LSD, cause people “to go completely insane and become very violent,” said Armando Aguilar, president of the Miami Fraternal Order of Police told CNN. Also known by street names like “Ivory Wave,” “Vanilla Sky,” “Bliss,” “Dynamite” and “Purple Rain,” bath salts made headlines last year after a torrent of ER visits, thousands of calls to poison control centers, and a number of deaths, including murders and suicides. |
I would't be the least bit surprised that these new drugs are made to be analogs of other drugs, not to merely to circumvent laws prohibiting them, but are knowingly made to be more dangerous alternatives so that it demonizes drugs so that the War on Drugs remains relevant. It sure is a movement that has lost steam. |
The government has created a lot of these drugs for the use of bio-weapons and interrogation purposes. LSD, which I don't consider that dangerous relatively, was certainly used that way. |
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