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09 Nov 2013, 2:57 pm

The problem with Libertarianism is that it also relies on everyone having the Asperger overdeveloped sense of morality and fairness, and also the Asperger tendency to observe the rules as a guideline for behavior rather than tools to be exploited.

It is, in short, unworkable in an NT-dominated society.

Libertarianism gave us the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, the textile wars, the mine wars, and the Plains wars.

It's a nice idea, but as it relies on human goodness to sustain any degree of humanity in society, it is simply not viable.


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11 Nov 2013, 1:59 pm

I see myself as some where between a 21st century, “Socialism from the ground up”, Socialism and anarcho-syndicalism. (I would love to see a society where those are the 2 parties.) Maybe there has to be an authority, but it is us.

It is a myth that Aspies lack empathy. That is not true. We are capable of developing a logical empathy. My logical empathy has become militant.

We can be happily moral while observing the Corporation.

I also dispute the idea that we need regulation, and order. We don't. We need stability and sustainability. The Corporation is not providing either one.

Right-wing libertarians seem to believe that the definition of freedom is the power to steal freedom from others. (The disabled go first.)

They also seem to believe that it doesn't matter what happens to society, because they will be able to buy their freedom. How would it work if freedom were a commodity? (Actually, we have already crossed line.)

The Goverenment is not the core of our problem.
The Corporation is stealing our freedom. The government is owned by the Corporation. If you want small government eliminate the true entitlement of corporate welfare.

Think about where you read the definition of Socialism that you consider to be true. It was produced by the oligarchy. The oligarchy has a reason to lie to us. They have to keep use afraid of something else so we don't notice what they do.


Stalinism is not Socialism.
North Korea is not Socialist. These systems are state capitalist where the common people still have no power in self-determination. N. Korea is a military dictatorship.

Remember the people that told you what life is like in a country they said was socialist had never been there. Propaganda from the opposition is also invalid.

Human Nature
We really don't know if people are greedy by nature. That is what the capitalist told us.

For those would talk about the right to private property. Nobody wants your trailer and your pick-up.
There is a debate between the difference between private property and personal property.


Fox news is accidentally right about one point. Public assistance has failed. It failed because of Corporate sabotage. They are trying to create 47% unemployment so salaries will collapse. This will cause the economy to collapse.

We need a system of public assistance that allows people the dignity of production, and self determination.

Germany allows people on unemployment to work in public service.
Italy allows people who form groups to use unemployment funds to create worker-owned collectives.

Socialism is democracy, Socialism is the power of self-determination and freedom.



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29 Mar 2014, 8:02 pm

Where is my choice born to a junkie who is in part to blame for my co borbids , fry your brain if you wish , don't become a burden to society or pop out a child .

I love the nanny state the state needs to protect those that can't protect themselves , these people are for more numerous than you imagine .


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29 Mar 2014, 8:11 pm

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You know what, f**k you. I hate libertarianism.


Agreed they like to quote Switzerland as some sort of model , well those "low taxes" are for the mega rich the average Joe especially so after paying the hidden obliged to pay hidden tax ie private health care and the tax gap narrows compared to most countries

Also your not allowed to mow on a Sunday enough said ...


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01 Apr 2014, 5:47 pm

Libertarianism is the philosophy of individualism carried to the absolute extreme. Yuk. If Libertarians gained political power, ASD people would be fighting lemmings for access to the top of the cliff.



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01 Apr 2014, 6:38 pm

Libertarians make me want to grab the brige of my nose, furrow my brow and slowly shake my head back and forth.

Newsflash, for those of you who adhere to this philosophy:
There are places in the world where you can live pretty much as free as you want.

They're not nice places to live imho, but hey, if you don't like a nice civilized country with infrastructure, firemen, indoor plumbing, clean water, public education, phone lines, electricity, geosynchronous sattelites and protection from the worst depredations and exploitations of the ultra-greedy, you're free to go live in one of those places.

As I understand it, a Libertarian government is basically little more than a protection racket, because it doesn't do anything for its citizen but theoretically protect them from direct physical threats and enforce criminal law.
Sure, government has always been a bit of a racket, but without all those other agencies and functions that the Libertarians disdain, we wouldn't be a country, we'd just be people paying protection money to the same group of extortionists.



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01 Apr 2014, 6:55 pm

Here here to that.

I knew someone with extreme libertarian views. He was a very successful lawyer, very arrogant and contemptuous of anyone (which meant everyone) whom he considered a lesser being than himself. Unfortunately for him, he broke his neck, became a quadriplegic, and discovered that interdependence is an important organsing principle in a pro-human society.

Sadly, he then turned his enormous capacity for contempt on himself.



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01 Apr 2014, 8:13 pm

I got the impression that the popularity of libertarianism with aspies is due to black and white morality. Libertarians got the tendency to see the government as entirelly "black".



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01 Apr 2014, 8:38 pm

I think a lot of posters need 1. A dictionary. 2. A text on political philosophy 3. A text on the history of world government. 4. A text on American history.....get my drift?



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01 Apr 2014, 9:49 pm

Tollorin wrote:
I got the impression that the popularity of libertarianism with aspies is due to black and white morality. Libertarians got the tendency to see the government as entirelly "black".


agreed I can respect them for that , like you have centre right governments who are meant to be pro market low taxing , though if you look over the long term their about the same as level as the centre "left", their spending allocations differ slightly .


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01 Apr 2014, 9:55 pm

I couldn't watch that video , real Americans , get out of town so I would be considered a traitor being on the centre left ?


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01 Apr 2014, 9:57 pm

gonewild wrote:
I think a lot of posters need 1. A dictionary. 2. A text on political philosophy 3. A text on the history of world government. 4. A text on American history.....get my drift?


where dumb dumbs got it .


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02 Apr 2014, 3:16 am

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Geekonychus wrote:
Most people with Autism wouldn't survive in the extreme social darwinist society of the libertarian ideal..........


Most people with Autism who are against libertarianism don't understand the libertarian ideal.


so how would the welfare state / or min wage be like under your plan ?


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02 Apr 2014, 5:55 pm

The only trait I can see which ASD people have in common with Libertarians is a tendency to lecture others about a core belief. The difference is that ASDs have all sorts of core beliefs, libertarians seem to have one track minds.



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04 Jun 2014, 8:03 pm

Wow, unmitigated fail. You have a total lack of understanding of what aspergers is and then attempt to link it to a totally straw man version of libertarianism. For the record, I do have aspergers and I do feel emotions as does everyone with it, it's a common misconception that we don't, we just process them differently and are not very good at expressing them. I looked up "libertarianism and aspergers" just out of curiosity, hoping to find a meaningful, intelligent and rational conversation on the subject (believe it or not they do exist out on the internet if you look hard enough) and all I found was poorly written dribble from someone who understands neither.



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05 Jun 2014, 9:23 am

This is directed to the OP since I am a little late in this thread.

Libertarian is a philosophy that government should not get involved with social aspects and that the only job government should have is to keep order and protect individual liberties. For example if I do something to someone else and it prevents them from having their rights then government comes in to correct that action. Same goes for business practices and so on. However we as free people should ideally by our own accord assist those who need help. This is more of a moral principal than anything. Something that most Americans lack these days. However lack thereof it should never be the government?s responsibility to enforce social standards. Those issues should be handled independently at state level only through a democratic process. This view should not make Libertarians seem self-indulged. Libertarians can have a selfless cause and in my opinion have more of a selfless cause than our Republican and Democrat counterparts. You make all Libertarians out to be evil. While there are some selfish Libertarians it is also safe to say that there are selfish Republicans and Democrats. So it is unfair to take the characteristics of a few Libertarians and generalize all Libertarians to be as such. It almost makes you sound like you have your own political agenda and are imposing your own bias views.

Where do you see self this and self that in a Libertarian philosophy?