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Corvus
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Tim_Tex
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I am not a vegetarian.
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walk-in-the-rain
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I've considered myself a "grainarian" at times because veggies can be as disgusting as much as raw meat can. Nothing like someone pulling a carrot out of the dirt and rinsing it off and yum. So considering that certain conditions can be associated with high IQ how does that necessarily mean that "smart" people eat healthier - maybe they are all just obsessive/compulsive  . |
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KimJ
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| See, that study is silly. 33% of people claiming to be vegetarians actually eat meat. I know lots of people who act self-righteous and call themselves vegetarians but aren't. So, that study is using faulty information. |
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Fraya
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IQ is not really indicative of a tendancy for vegetarianism.
If anything its counterintuitive considering having a high IQ and good education means you probably know that meat contains essential enzymes and protein types that are very difficult to aquire from other sources.
Among autistics (please excuse the generalization) its even more unlikely since the majority of vegetarians are that way because of an overdeveloped empathy that makes them feel sorry for animals that wouldnt exist if no one intended to eat them.
Eh Im not happy with how this rant turned out but Im kinda in a hurry.. guess Ill just say that while Im not a vegetarian I dont condone cruelty to animals or killing them for sport and I prefer vegetarian food as part of a balanced diet but I still eat meat on occasion to maintain my health.
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walk-in-the-rain
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| KimJ wrote: | | See, that study is silly. 33% of people claiming to be vegetarians actually eat meat. I know lots of people who act self-righteous and call themselves vegetarians but aren't. So, that study is using faulty information. |
Some of my family members were because of their religious beliefs but there has always been a big controversy about what is considered vegetarian. I find the whole self righteousness thing especially among vegetarians amusing - considering all the pesticides used by farmers and land cleared for farming and rivers diverted for irrigation. If you eat fish, use butter, or eggs or whatever there is always someone more vegetarian than you. Even if you eat food that is supposed to look or taste like "meat" is an affront to some. . |
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Corvus
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If anything its counterintuitive considering having a high IQ and good education means you probably know that meat contains essential enzymes and protein types that are very difficult to aquire from other sources. |
Thats why I added the comment to the 'God No' option  |
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SteveK
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Corvus!
You certainly CAN be very smart, and be a vegetarian, or even a vegan, but it is FAR harder than if you are omniverous. They HAVE done studies. You need amino acid mixes that are COMMON in meat but apparantly there is NO vegetable that can provide them, so you need to properly mix various vegetables. In fact, THAT is why SOY was so prized, because it was SO complete. It is still NOWHERE near as good as meat, but it is better than most other vegetables.
BTW I HAVE met a lot of stupid vegetarians. It is almost a stereotype. Of course, I HAVE met some very smart vegetarians also. I think most indians(not native americans) in the US are vegetarians, and some of them ARE pretty smart.
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Corvus
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| SteveK wrote: | Sorry Corvus!
You certainly CAN be very smart, and be a vegetarian, or even a vegan, but it is FAR harder than if you are omniverous. They HAVE done studies. You need amino acid mixes that are COMMON in meat but apparantly there is NO vegetable that can provide them, so you need to properly mix various vegetables. In fact, THAT is why SOY was so prized, because it was SO complete. It is still NOWHERE near as good as meat, but it is better than most other vegetables.
BTW I HAVE met a lot of stupid vegetarians. It is almost a stereotype. Of course, I HAVE met some very smart vegetarians also. I think most indians(not native americans) in the US are vegetarians, and some of them ARE pretty smart.
Steve |
While true, I question the whole evolution of humans that got us here, though. Vegetarianism seems to be a new 'fad' in the west. I CANT generalize every society so I basically generalize all humans as evolving through the killing of animals and consuming them. Again, I generalize but there is a great chance their ancestors ate fish or buffalo or something |
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Starbuline
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm vegetarian. |
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SteveK
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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HEY, I was arguing FOR meat! Most big animals, including humans, generally eat meat. The ONLY reason humans avoid meat is because they are SCARED because of health claims, etc..., or their RELIGION says they shouldn't, or their ETHICS say it is bad to eat other creatures.
Think about it. Before religion and scientific evidence, it is likely EVERYONE prefered meat!
The macrobiotic diet is an example of one often advertised as being SAFER!(Reasons given are no consumption of cancer, easier digestion, more fiber, fewer heart problems)
Indians(from INDIA) often do it for religious reasons.
In the 70s some Americans did it for ETHICS reasons.
Can you think of any other reason?
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KimJ
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I'm so mad, my post got eaten. 
Social evolution does point to creating a more agricultural, small game dependent people based on population density.
I attended a lecture given by local archeologists about the Sacramento Valley in CA. Its civilization rivalled that of the Aztecs, in development and population density. They discovered that the Indians overhunted the game (like anyone does anywhere) and eventually developed agriculture and complex tools and methods for eating small game/fish.
The current fad of eating vegetarian mirrors this. However, I think other generations have eaten less meat and dairy because of storage problems. I think vegetarian options/fads come in waves and then become integrated into social customs.
I think it has more to do with distribution of resources than actual IQ. |
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ghostgurl
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I'm a carnivore.
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logitechdog
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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look at animals do they have a relgion? fear nope its a choice maybe they don't like killing animals... take that into account?
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Cade
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I need a lot of protein, or my cognitive abiltiies tank and my depression get bad. I've found a high protein, moderate fat, low cab diet works best for me. I have a very high IQ, and I definitely eat meat, daily.
I tried going veg a couple times int eh past, and it was baaaaaaaad. I felt horrible, depressed, couldn't think. Baaaaaaaad. But then I felt great after eating a piece of chicken or a steak.
Veg diet is bad for em too because I'm allergic to a lot of vegetable proteins, including the proteins found in soy, corn and tree nuts.
Don't know how anyone could function without meat. Seriously. |
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