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18 Oct 2013, 9:09 am

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^ It's almost as if Douglas Adams is your god. Not a bad choice, I must admit. :wink:

No, no one is my god, but yes like you, I admire his ability to say things succinctly and with clarity. He had a wonderful way to expose the eccentricities of humans in such a humourous way (especially the English). Come to think of it I have been a bit Gideon like. I hate to think of how many copies of h2g2 I have given as presents. 8O :lol:

aghogday I see nature in all its glory you seem to see something else.

Well my friend..technically speaking according to modern science..we all view our universes differently depending on this illusion that science understands as only an approximation of the reality that is...and even in religion it is commonly understood that some people experience this thing called GOD or faith in a personal kind of way and some people simply never may experience IT...which really only reflects the state of art in science as the human mind is currently understood anyway....Dude I am a science major you are not really saying anything differently than me..other than I am a poet now..and you apparently are not....that I all IT is all IT IS I see..currrently.....

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18 Oct 2013, 9:18 am

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Well, aghogday, I have to say you now have all the makings of being a successful cult leader. Those words of fear of persecution from those who disagree with you are one indicator. Also, words that appear enlightened but are really just vague random statements meant to confuse and not enlighten, and when people express confusion, you use the brilliant clever line of letting them know it's a metaphor that only gifted people like yourself could understand. And the vague descriptions of your personal experience whereby you speak of miracles but provide nothing substantial to back them up also says a lot.

The good news, for you, is that so many people in this world are naive enough to fall into such traps and adhere to views like yours. I call them naive and vulnerable, but you probably call them "gifted people". :lol:

I speak in metaphors too by the way. I also speak in colors and hum. Watch this video and be surprised!! !! !! !! !! !!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GboNn_kE5OE[/youtube]

Dude now where the f**k are you getting this idea now...My philosophy about what I describe as GOD is almost identical if not identical to the Philosophy of Aleister Crowley..the so called 'most wicked dude of the 20th century'.. of love under will and do as thou wilt in not harming others which is just basically a reword of the golden rule common as the common tenant of most religions anyway..which is completely antithetical to any cult including any religion that exists for the masses today..in a structured type of way...as they are much more confusing and complex in totality...

I think It's great that you are an artist in this way..and I really believe that many people on the spectrum can be excellent artists..poets..singers..musicians in sometimes more excellent ways that those considered among the 'norm'..that's my whole point..as long I was a conformist...I could not think out of the box..my religion is simply being me...and I promote the idea that everyone should simply be themselves without limitation or expectations from others...

And if you feel like I am persecuting you..you must be paranoid or something...as I never have suggested that anything I am talking about here is anything but my...and only my opinion..for me...and have told people please just ignore me if you don't like what I see as as the what that rings true to me...

So all I can see is that you may be scared I have tapped into something you can't understand..which yeah..I understand as I have been on the 'others side' of 'this' too...the separation from the ALL that is...and no that is not personally directed at you..as I know little to nothing about you....

The truth is always the truth my friend..and the truth only belongs to the one who sees it...there is no cult in the truth..truth is only truth....

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18 Oct 2013, 10:16 am

i have been extraordinarily lucky all my life. every time something seems to go wrong i will admit that i pray (to whom i do not know) that things will not develop in a disastrous way.
they never did develop in a disastrous way, and i do not know whether it was because i prayed that they did not, or whether things would have turned out the same way whether i prayed or not.

i am not prepared to take the risk of denying god because i have not the universal intelligence that it would require to be satisfied that god does not exist.

last year, i found out that i should have been paying income tax for the 9 prior years. i was under contract in that time with the company that required my services, and i assumed i was an employee of theirs, and i assumed that they withheld part of my pay as a tax installment.

when i found out i had not payed my taxes for 9 years in a row, i became distraught because there is a "general interest charge" of 12% p.a as well as a "failure to lodge" fine applicable to every year i did not pay my taxes.

when i worked out how much i had to pay, it came out to be $240,000, and so i was convinced i would have to sell my house to pay the bill. i prayed to god that things would not turn out that i had to live on the streets, and i spoke to a tax office person on the phone, and during the course of the conversation, she realized that i was innocent of the charge of "tax evasion" and she argued in my defense with her superiors, and they waived the general interest charge and also the failure to lodge charges, so all i had to pay was $100,000 which i could afford. i payed it and now i am free of worry.

the tax girl i corresponded with, i later found out was a veiled muslim girl (after i went to the tax office for a meeting), and i realized that everyone is beautiful. surely chance can not result in such beauty. i thanked god for the positive turn of events.

to want to be the king of your own show and deny the role of god in order to substitute yourself for god is such an arrogant and doomed attitude that i want to have no part of it.

i do not believe that i am the pinnacle of my own sentience in order to sound "sure of myself" to other people who are lost.

you may say " you are ret*d to have faith in that that is not proven", but i say you are "ret*d to have no faith in what you are incapable of ever being able to disprove"
it requires an attitude that you are universally intelligent to refute the possibility of god.

and no being in the universe is universally intelligent.
you may think you are, but if you cannot convince me, then obviously you are not.

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18 Oct 2013, 10:35 am

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This is almost my identical experience..in real life..and I agree with what you are saying here..as far as the arrogant nature of man in general in thinking he can know more than that flea on that dog....

I can only guess that people who gain that flea as dog perspective...can only see the details in total effect and miss the big picture consistently and of course modern culture promotes this type of thinking as everything now is geared toward instant gratification.....no time to have to use one's own imagine to think...if one wills...which in effect is what leads to experiencing this thing I understand as the power of the GOD that is....

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18 Oct 2013, 11:00 am

most people are so concerned with their ego, that they want to be the masters of their existence in order to justify their beliefs and ideologies as self generated.

i never heed opinions from people that are aggrandizations of their own personal beliefs that are born from their egotistical minds.

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18 Oct 2013, 11:06 am

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You have an ego yourself, b9. Don't tell me you don't.

Your "nananana, I don't care what logic you throw at me, I'll stubbornly believe in God and think you're all fools for not believing in the same thing I believe" is reflective of that ego.

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18 Oct 2013, 11:07 am

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I speak in metaphors too by the way. I also speak in colors and hum. Watch this video and be surprised!! !! !! !! !! !!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GboNn_kE5OE[/youtube]

Now you're projecting about the fear and persecution thingy. It is you who expressed concern in an earlier post about being at risk because of certain people around you.

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18 Oct 2013, 11:08 am

Hmmm..couldn't help but to play this video..now..lalala..all i hear is love..hehe...

That's about the size of IT..GOD THAT IS....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O1_3zBUKM8[/YOUTUBE]

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18 Oct 2013, 11:11 am

MCalavera wrote:

Now you're projecting about the fear and persecution thingy. It is you who expressed concern in an earlier post about being at risk because of certain people around you.

DUDE I'M A STATISTICIAN TOO..where I live people have big shotguns and drink lots of beer and go to church...I do the math..and even if there is a 1 in 100,000 chance..I don't take it with my wife...I am completely fearless..come and visit me..and I'll show you the fearless things I do....2hehe....you like Kung Fu...I AM KUNG FU....and no I'm talking about exhibition..not fighting...

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18 Oct 2013, 11:20 am

I used to be able to do a jump spin kick while younger and I learned how to do it by watching Jean Claude Van Damme movies while I was growing up.

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18 Oct 2013, 11:36 am

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i could not have wrote that without god.

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18 Oct 2013, 11:56 am

b9 wrote:

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i could not have wrote that without god.

Yeah, you could.

Atheists could do so as well.

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18 Oct 2013, 6:00 pm

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DUDE I'M A STATISTICIAN TOO..

DUDE I could say I am an ALIEN SPACE CHICKEN. But without evidence to prove my claim it would be completely meaningless and people would quite understandably ignore my assertions.

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18 Oct 2013, 6:01 pm

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i could not have wrote that without god.

Why not, and I suggest you just did

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18 Oct 2013, 6:52 pm

MCalavera wrote:

So God is a metaphor or what?

If I am getting you right, are you saying that God doesn't exist in a physical or literal sense, but that some people with certain qualities can experience this "metaphor thing" you call "God" in their lives?

Is that what it's all about or am I getting you wrong?

God word was created probably like as metaphor. In the past the human beings used the concept of God like as explanations about everything that was mysterious and specially our existence and why this, but in my opinion, i understand that the concept of one word could be changed many times during the chronos and all tentatives of cultural representations about him could be sumarizing on ''the All''. Majority of theist people believes who the God is the architect of all ''things''. but i believe who the God is the All, like a unicellular organism that replicate himself, the self architect and us are also part of it, maybe one of the most important part of it, because we simply can thinkin about it.
It was my ''scientific'' and neutral explanation to God, without bible influences. I'm more like as atheist than theist, but i believe that is too early to get conclusions. Even that supposedly not exist ''life after the death'', it can't explain about the God. I think about the greater mysterious about the life, the universes and not about little things of the thinking ants. Why i exist, why exist the life etc etc etc
There many big mysteries to solve and to understand. I really don't know if ''God exist'' ''or not'', but while live in a doubt i'm live happy and optimistic about it. I like the idea of ''Intelligent Design'', everything is soo perfect (only humans aren't :cry:

) that i ask myself
why this is possible
If us, the humankind, invent mechanical things so probably powerful forces by these logic could be created the life.

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18 Oct 2013, 7:10 pm

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I like the idea of ''Intelligent Design'', everything is soo perfect (only humans aren't :cry:

) that i ask myself
why this is possible

What is perfect, massive weather events which destroy/change immense areas of land, cataclysmic events like Krakatoa or meteorites. Birth deformities, disease and illness abound throughout the natural world. How does any of this reflect perfection. Instead it characterizes a natural system which is dynamic and interdependent, which to some degree appears flawed and astoundingly wondrous at the same time. ID is simply the invention of people so hung up on their religious beliefs that they cannot accept the nature of nature itself.

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