Do most aspies like offending people with religious talk?

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I think that the faith-based ones are probably more common, but there *are* secular programs out there; most of the medical/clinical programs, afaIk, are secular. And they have a higher success rate.

edit: the op could google 'secular rehab my town,' and probably find something; if not in his town, then somewhere nearby.

Op knowingly does what he claims to be indignant about.

This kind of thing is not a fad to just one group, literally everyone in the world with a superiority complex (thinking themselves as the "voice of reason" when discussing religion) does this exact thing.
In my experience (even on here) 9 times out of 10, a religious argument will break out because non-believers will challenge someone's beliefs, right to believe, and/or validity of those beliefs and will use their own brand of "logic" to continue the argument. And then they always fall back to "does god even exist? no because science doesn't support that" and other such nonsense that is pointlessly debated in every topic that god or religion is even mentioned.
It's so predictable, that I'm willing to bet (keep in mind, I haven't read any responses) that it will become an argument in this topic as well, assuming it hasn't already. If you were to go look at other such topics, in almost every one of them is the same argument. It got so ridiculous, that I stopped coming to the PPR for a long time because it was pointless. Even now I only come back once every few months or so.

Personally I love offending religious people. I love blasphemy, and using their own sacred texts and the force of reason against them. I love resisting theocracy. I wouldn't force this on anyone, but if the subject comes up... yes I get a thrill out of it.

Me too its really fun and easy to do so whether it involves using actual logic and applied sciences to debunk their religious views or simply mock and perverse their religious views for amusement. Like say Jesus masturbates and had sex with lots of women and ate pork even though he was a jew and also got drunk alot![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FrKcHVmXZQ[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P37Njzu86PY[/youtube]

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No, it's not even necessary to lie about it. Reason and logic offends them. Making their beliefs look as silly as they are offends them.

False, making statements like "making their beliefs look as silly as they are" is what is offensive, not "reason and logic" (which is just as subjective as religion itself).

Agreed, sort of.

Anyone who has done LSD or DXM or sativa or some other mind-altering drug of the kind knows that one can only trust his brain so much. Any reasonable person knows that they cannot with certainty trust their own sanity, sense of reason, and intelligence. You could call this supersanity if you wish.

I tend to tune out anyone who claims to be all-knowing. A lot of atheist debates online just turn into pointless, vacuous, pissing contests. A sad sight.

However, I do believe all religions are nonsense. That doesn't mean I think religious people are stupid. I just think they are "wrong". Evidence, from my perspective, does back up atheists and agnositcs. so the atheist trolls often have the facts on their side, but that doesn't mean they are smart or anything. It just means they are on the winning end of the war. Hurling abusive insults at people who are perhaps suffering want to believe in something greater than themselves isn't smart. It's dumb.

No, it doesn't. Many religious people are quite adept at using reason and logic, and many atheists aren't. It is possible to make any belief look silly.

I'll admit to having a liking for offending bigots, religious or otherwise, including atheists who think not having a belief in God{s} somehow makes them smart. Also those who huff and puff about 'reason' and 'logic' and who are give to scientism.

So basically, anyone who doesn't agree with me.

They offended me first and do it frequently. So I just like to repay the favor.

Well, when you do "repay the favor", don't generalize the action and don't generalize religious people as a whole. If you annoy people that specifically annoyed you, fine, but don't do it to the group just because you're disgruntled about the few. People that do that are one of the contributing problems to the divide.

Religious people can use reason and logic, but they don't apply it to faith, which is belief in something for which there is no evidence. I refer to theism, because religion can be almost anything. It's not bigotry to dislike faith. No one is born with it, it's not immutable. I don't think I'm all that smart, this isn't an ego trip for me, but I do think I can make a case against faith. I stand against it because I think it's a great force for evil in the world. I've been a victim of it, and I don't want anyone else to be.

Logic isn't subjective. It's self-supporting, and would be true in any culture or possible universe.

False again. Logic didn't just mysteriously pop out of a black hole you know, people made it up based on their very limited understanding of the universe, in order to try to make sense of the chaos of existence and convey ideas onto other people because they too, have that very limited understanding of the universe. It's nothing more than a tool to help people understand the limited aspects of reality that people are subject to every day, and for that reason, it is subjective by it's very nature.
A perfect example of this is earth itself; until the world was discovered to be round, it was only logical to people that it must be flat because their perceptions and understanding of their environment supported that idea. That was accepted as fact and reason, yet it was completely wrong. Since then, "logic" has evolved and encompassed new territory, and it will again as time passes. But it is no more objective than we are individually, in anything.

Also, in the whole of creation, in this universe, or the next, you'll find that nothing is truly logical, so until you understand the whole of the universe/multiverse, in all it's complexities and mystery, don't sit there and try to tell people what is and is not true in any possible universe, it just makes you look silly.



No, it's not bigotry to dislike anything, it's bigotry to assume that you're correct and assert yourself as the "voice of reason and logic", like so many seem to.

Listen to yourself here:

Don't you think it's silly to argue about something that by it's very nature is simply a viewpoint that people have? Seriously. You have your views, they have theirs. It is not your job to tell people that their beliefs are wrong (especially since you cannot possibly know that without having infinite knowledge of the universe), it is also not your job to tell people what to believe, and it certainly isn't your right to do so.

It's an idea, a belief, it's no more evil than a ham sandwich. Saying that faith is evil is literally no better (nor any smarter) than saying that science is the "devil's work". Evil comes from people, not the ideas that people have. Ideas can't force people to act, nor can they convince people to do evil things. That comes from people.

No-one can be a victim of faith, again; it's an idea (again, ideas can't act on their own, nor convince you of anything), people are victimized by other people who use misshapen and misguided ideas to their advantage in order to manipulate others. Faith can't exist without people, ergo people are the problem here. The fact that you were apparently victimized by people who were using faith as their weapon to do so, makes you biased against faith/religion. It means literally jack squat to what faith/religion is.
Let's say an entire city was nuked by someone, their reason is irrelevant, but let's say that they just didn't like the people that lived there. That nuke was made possible through science, does that mean science is evil? Or does it simply mean that people are using science as a means to do evil things? The obvious answer to "is science evil because 'this' happened", is "Of course not, that would be a silly thing to say, wouldn't it?" Same thing with faith/religion.

I end my post with the following:

Anyone that uses science must invariably realize and understand that nothing can be discounted out of hand until there is empirical evidence that proves that something simply cannot exist. Until then, the assumption of non-existence is exactly that, an assumption. And an assumption calls forth one thing to support itself... faith.

(I didn't mean to suggest you necessarily thought yourself smarter for being an athiest - I was talking generally. Sorry if it seemed so)

I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God - given my cultural background, this would be the Christian God as represented through the Church of England. But that's it. I don't feel any sense of an almighty deity, nor have I had anything that I would see as a religious or spiritual epiphany. Other people do, and have.

There are many reasons people may have a religious belief. They may have been raised so - but then, people are raised without a religious belief, and atheists don't try and explain away atheism that way. They may have been non-believers who had an epiphany. Any psychological or neurological proposition to explain this away can also explain away a believers loss of faith, of turning from believer to non-believer.

Reason and logic start from an assumption. One's argument can be tight and true and good, yet still be wrong, if the starting point is so. When the starting point - "God exists" - is one of faith, it tends to devolve into people shouting past each other. The same goes for non-religious arguments.

People believe all kinds of s**t that wouldn't necessarily stand up to 'reason' or 'logic', either directly or implicitly. God (!) knows I do.

I disagree with religious people in a similar way I disagree with people of different political or philosophical positions. I consider there are examples of all of these that have done harm in the world, but people could easily point to my own positions and say the same.