If there was a designated country for Aspies

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A Promised Land for Geeks, Nerds, Aspies and Obsessed people. I love it!

It will be the smartest country in the world, but not well able to defend itself against evil Neurotipicals.

ruveyn

Well..personally i'm a member of humanity..and no matter who attempts to get me down..it is my choice..my will..to how i respond emotionally...

I used to be weak when i was younger...

But when the mind grows stronger..in balance..particularly emotional balance...

everything in life tends to follow..IS what i most definitely know now at 53 moving into 54...

But here's the thing..restricting one's freedoms or limiting oneself according to expectations derived from
labels..and even derived from observing oneself to date..NOW...

Is a sure path to stagnation...

And any type of Aspie only community..would multiply the issue of human stagnation..by multiple fold...

Diversity..all human diversity is necessary for human beings to survive...

It takes a full human village for FULL POTENTIAL AT survival..

Not a dam exclusive club...

And Autistics.. the higher functioning kind..about 99% of folks from my experience online..are among the worst offenders at excluding folks who communicate or act a little differently than what they PERSONALLY THINK IS their OWN norm....

That ain't how the big picture of life..works...

but of course there are hundreds of pieces of peer reviewed research that backs up that sentiment...

IT WILL NEVER WORK..

CAUSE FOLKS HERE GENERALLY SPEAKING AND AT LEAST EVIDENCED ON THIS SITE...and other online autistic sites..

SIMPLY WILL NOT BEND AND COOPERATE WITH OTHERs WHO THEY VIEW AS A LITTLE TOO FAR OUT OF THEIR

PERSONAL SOCIAL NORM...EVEN WHEN IT comes to a friggin style of writing that is a little different than the norm...

And i have collected reams and reams of evidence for that..in my own research as a social scientist....

that provides enough evidence..i think...to present a compelling case for what i am saying here...

And all that autreat stuff is only for folks who carry the same ideology..been there done that..in scores of discussions...where if ya don't believe the way we do..see ya later..alligator....or WE WILL BAN YA..OR YOU ARE NOT WELCOME BACK or WHATEVER....

SO CALLED NT'S ARE NECESSARY..iF I wanna be sane..in this REAL WORLD...REGARDLESS OF IF I CURE MY AUTISM LIKE I HAVE NOW...or in the day..where i regressed and a light bulb at night was like the sun at midday..

and a cricket sounded like a friggin freight train..and i could NOT talk at all.....at age 47....with severe regression like a 24 month old child....

Everyone here by the time they get my age..if they go into autistic burnout..better hope there's an NT somewhere to lend a hand..as this just ain't something most autistic folks could deal with..on a day to day basis...

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like my so called NT wife did..when i needed caregiving...24/7.....back in those dead days...in 2008..for me...

And i DO MEAN 24/7 CARE...BEYOND WHAT ANY NURSING HOME SERVICES..COULD EVEN REASONABLY PROVIDE..JUST FOR ME TO MAKE IT TO THE next second....

Most Autistic folks need NT's more than autistic folks..whether they want to face the facts of life or not...

But that's just my opinion..per my personal experience..and technical research in life....

And any type of Aspie only community..would multiply the issue of human stagnation..by multiple fold...

How would an Autistic community cause more stagnation than an NT community? Autistics are much less likely than NT to have a "lemming like" mentality. Much more likely to respect individuality.

Diversity..all human diversity is necessary for human beings to survive...

Oh wow. Then why did you 'cure' your autism?

It takes a full human village for FULL POTENTIAL AT survival..

It does take a village for our kids [and ourselves] to reach our Autistic best. How is the NT culture positivvely encouraging our kids?

Not a dam exclusive club...

Absolutely. No one should have to be a scapegoat, an omega, for this seriously messed up NT run society.

And Autistics.. the higher functioning kind..about 99% of folks from my experience online..are among the worst offenders at excluding folks who communicate or act a little differently than what they PERSONALLY THINK IS their OWN norm....

I truly do not know if it is intentional or not, but you often come across as pompous and you say things that hurt peoples feelings...alot. They are not being offenders as much as defenders of themselves and their values.

That ain't how the big picture of life..works...

but of course there are hundreds of pieces of peer reviewed research that backs up that sentiment...

IT WILL NEVER WORK..

Do you not know how arrogant you are coming across? And kind of mean? And WHY WHY WHY are you implying that you, a person who believes himself to be "cured" from this "disease," would have a clue what would be best for a portion of Autistics{ I NEVER said all Autistics] who feel that for them, being in a community of other supportive Autistics, would be the ideal way to be and encourage others to be their Autistic best?

CAUSE FOLKS HERE GENERALLY SPEAKING AND AT LEAST EVIDENCED ON THIS SITE...and other online autistic sites..

SIMPLY WILL NOT BEND AND COOPERATE WITH OTHERs WHO THEY VIEW AS A LITTLE TOO FAR OUT OF THEIR

PERSONAL SOCIAL NORM...EVEN WHEN IT comes to a friggin style of writing that is a little different than the norm...

When I come to WP, I feel accepted. I feel understood. And when I have asked for help, others have "cooperated" and given it.

And i have collected reams and reams of evidence for that..in my own research as a social scientist....

And, as an Autistic who is appalled at the high unemployment rate among Autistics, the rate[ 28 times higher] of attempted,planned, and successful suicide among our young people, I have plenty of documentation to MORE than strongly suggest that autistic people. in general,are not exactly thriving in this NT ruled world.

that provides enough evidence..i think...to present a compelling case for what i am saying here...

Yeah, me too. I can drag out more stats if you wish.

And all that autreat stuff is only for folks who carry the same ideology..been there done that..in scores of discussions...where if ya don't believe the way we do..see ya later..alligator....or WE WILL BAN YA..OR YOU ARE NOT WELCOME BACK or WHATEVER....

One, Autreat no longer exists. It did though,positively impact many peoples' lives for many years. Not all autistics would want to attend. We are all different people,and what is good for one person is not what is best for all. As far as you not feeling welcome, it was always made clear that this was an event for individuals who were looking to celebrate their "Autistic wonderfulness, not those who wanted to "cure it." Apart from that, there is no denying that there were some problems with Autreat. People who have been a part of Autreat, often feel that one person having final say in everything presented problems. Something is now being put together to replace Autreat by a group of Autistic individuals, something that will embrace the positive sides of it while addressing the problems.

SO CALLED NT'S ARE NECESSARY..iF I wanna be sane..in this REAL WORLD...REGARDLESS OF IF I CURE MY AUTISM LIKE I HAVE NOW...or in the day..where i regressed and a light bulb at night was like the sun at midday..

How were they nevessary [and Autistics not]

and a cricket sounded like a friggin freight train..and i could NOT talk at all.....at age 47....with severe regression like a 24 month old child....

That is one of my arguments in support of an autistic community. Autistics understand and would be more likely to address sensory issues.

Everyone here by the time they get my age..if they go into autistic burnout..better hope there's an NT somewhere to lend a hand..as this just ain't something most autistic folks could deal with..on a day to day basis...

I am older than you. i agree that autistic burnout is the pits and would probably be much less likely to occur in an autistic community.I had autistic burnout. big-time. I had a total breakdown, and it was triggerred by a group of horrendously cruel NTs'. And the good NTs'? Too scared of losing their social status to stand up and tell the truth. The Autistic community helped to ave my life.

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like my so called NT wife did..when i needed caregiving...24/7.....back in those dead days...in 2008..for me...

I'm glad you are doing better.

And i DO MEAN 24/7 CARE...BEYOND WHAT ANY NURSING HOME SERVICES..COULD EVEN REASONABLY PROVIDE..JUST FOR ME TO MAKE IT TO THE next second....

I understand, except nursing home services are not great. Again, I am glad you are doing better. And that you have a supportive wife. So many Autistics have nobody during hard times.

Most Autistic folks need NT's more than autistic folks..whether they want to face the facts of life or not...

Speak for yourself, a person who caims to be 'cured" of being Autistic.

But that's just my opinion..per my personal experience..and technical research in life....[/quote]

And that is my ...per my personal experience of being an Autistic woman who is not ashamed of it and feels a responsibility to her brothers and sisters...and my technical research [ yes... I am ready to hear how inferior my research is to yours.]

i cured my reciprocal social communication difficulties by fully connecting language with emotion..and by finally learning how to move in 360 degrees instinctually unlike all my years..being an academic taught me not to do..sitting still in front of a lecture or at work fixated on a screen in front of a computer....for hours most all day every day...

IN my opinion full emotional connectedness with cognitive empathy is a necessity for survival..this is just my opinion..i do not expect anyone to agree with it or experience it the same..But this is what i value in life the full language both verbal and non verbal reciprocal communication with all human beings..not a select few...

And believe me i know how almost impossibly dam hard it is to arrive where I am now for full peace of mind and happiness around any human i visit..labels and diagnoses mean nothing to me now...

i have an open mind and i fully tell what i see as truth..you see it as pompous.. that is your will not mine..and you are of course welcome to your opinion..whatever it may be...but i am assertive..now..i'm not trying to dodge daisies..in an effort to please rather than speak truth...

Sure of course it could work for a select few..with the similar beliefs and views like autreat..but that is no community in my opinion...and certainly not a workable one for a real working village...per scope of size and effort...

And hell no..i'm not saying anything is easy for autistic folks..but it is possible to make things harder for oneself by limiting oneself to labels..and the expectations of peers..that may not apply to oneself at all..

i see that type of ideology in online autistic communities..time and time again..but not so much here..as this part of the ideological political aspect of autism ..is relatively non-existent here except for a relative handful of people..but the truth is..in those other communities without moderation..a word out of line ..per ideological differences..means banishment..

i feel welcome in the real world..and have never felt welcome here..the only reason i came here is because of the autistic regression..and severe illness..it was a last resort...perhaps you get more support here as you are female..females in general are more empathic..including autistic ones..and i as a male..in real life..am viewed as extremely empathic...when healthy and well..but as a non-verbal..child and visually thinking person..writing is not my forte..i do not succinctly provide ideas..and people continuously attempt to bully me here..for my writing style...which does not phase me..but i feel sad for folks that it does phase who are treated that way...

And i worked with the general public for two decades..and tens of thousands of every kind of person one could imagine..exists on the face of the earth...

Ideologies..are evil..not people..in all the thousands of people i have encountered...

This us vs. them ideology..is what always leads to all types of human strife...it works OK..within one ideological group..but can ruin the psychology of a person...in REAL LIFE..THE ONE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EVENTUALLY DEAL..WITH SOONER OR LATER..WHETHER IT IS THE DEATH OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT FROM FAMILY..or other real life difficulties in support...

IT only makes sense to at least attempt to adapt the best a person can..i know it is possible if a person does not focus on limitation and expectation..and instead focuses on change..adaptation..and basic human survival...

Tough talk sure..but reality talk..in my opinion...

Take it with a grain of salt as you like..and kudos to you for being autistic and being able to handle the emotional contagion of a nudist camp..i like nude art..but there is no way i could do that..:)

i feel people too much..down to the skin and heart level...but i currently have the extreme emotional contagion type of autism which is much different than the dead soul kind..and yes i've experienced both kinds..and likely know more about autism..thaN you will ever want to in REAL LIFE...CLOSE UP AND PERSONAL..AND NAH..HELL IS NOTHING TO BRAG ABOUT..NOR IS IT ANYONE'S FAULT..IT JUST IS..SOMETIMES...part of AUTISM..LIKE IT OR NOT..IT JUST IS...

I'M NOT ASHAMED TO SAY I NEED THE HELP OF ALL OF HUMANITY...AND HOLD NO GRUDGES OR HATE AGAINST ANYONE OR ANY ORGANIZATION..THAT DOES NOT COME INTO AGREEMENT WITH MY PERSONAL IDEOLOGY...

IT'S USELESS IN MY OPINION...and my writing style here is not at all reflective of the peace and love I ALWAYS FEEL IN REAL LIFE..

I TRY TO INSPIRE A LITTLE LIFE..in dead souls..like me..at points in time of my life...DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE PHYSIOLOGICAL.. NEUROLOGICAL CONDITION OF AUTISM..IN EMPATHIC..EMOTIONAL DIFFICULTIES..

AND THAT TAKES WORK...LOTS OF IT...

i write passionately as i have one hundred percent faith in what i personally believe in and do not waiver from it..

i am not here for me..AT ALL...

You have lost a child. I pray every day that I will never truly know what that feels like. I don't see how much anything could be as painful. I am so sorry for your loss. I know you get alot of crap for how you defend Autism Speaks. I personally detest the organization. I cannot see how you could have anything but positive feelings for them,though, if representatives from the group had been there lending support during your most difficult times. I assume that is what happened with you.

You often do get super negative about ideas different from your own. I do not know if it is intentional or not,but, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU SCREAM IN HERE you do come across as quite cruel,and,yeah,pompous.

I do believe that you are a person with so much to share with others who are hurting, and that you are a truly caring person,but that is SO not how you present. Also, there are many of us [myself included] who are PROUD autistics. And there are so many of us who are fighting for Autistics to receive the treatment and respect we deserve.

Last month,we had a little retreat for autistics in Colorado. There was a lot of fun. There were friendships started. We did not stay on schedule as well as we should have [which did lessen the experience for some] and there were 2 presentations [one of them mine] that were never presented. Now, I wish that those things had not happened, and now that we have a planning committee, hopefully next year they won't.

But, we were definitely succesful in the 2 areas I felt most important. One,because the majority of Autistics have low self-esteem,[ a lifetime of being bullied and being treated'less than" will do it] i was determined that every attendee felt cherished and loved. We were 100% succesful there. Our second priority was to give hope and tools to work on changing lives for Autistics. We were succesful in that area as well. You see,most of us have been taught our entire lives why we can't accomplish this or that. We need support on how we can. And, while still respecting our disabilities and personal limitations, we, as a group, CAN accomplish so much. I believe that we can not only improve the lives of our autistic brothers and sisters, but improve the lives of many NTs' as well.[ long term]

Please, constructive,postitive [ while remaining humble] ideas for what we CAN do, on yourpart would be appreciated.

Sometimes I get so confused while I write, and I know my grammar can be atrocious. I receive almost no criticism for either of those weaknesses, so,I really do not think that for people who have a problem with you, it is because of your writing style.

I do believe there is love in your heart. Perhaps you need to find a different way to make it shine?

Sooner or later, everyone would get kicked off the island.

How about a tribe?

This would allow us to live in the country of our choosing. We are indigenous after all. Our history closely fits many aboriginal people. As a tribe, we might have more power collectively than as many individuals.

My house and yard is my "tribal land", but as a tribe, we could have our own "reservations" or communities. Who knows? As a tribe we might even have our own sovereign nations.

It would solve the problem of having NT children, because they are part of a family who is in the tribe. That would also solve the problem of finding people to do jobs Autistic people can't/won't or otherwise unsuited for.