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17 Apr 2014, 10:55 am

How about a tribe?

This would allow us to live in the country of our choosing. We are indigenous after all. Our history closely fits many aboriginal people. As a tribe, we might have more power collectively than as many individuals.

My house and yard is my "tribal land", but as a tribe, we could have our own "reservations" or communities. Who knows? As a tribe we might even have our own sovereign nations.

It would solve the problem of having NT children, because they are part of a family who is in the tribe. That would also solve the problem of finding people to do jobs Autistic people can't/won't or otherwise unsuited for.

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17 Apr 2014, 11:24 am

A phyle? That's been suggested many times before. The question is, how do we go about starting it? What sort of businesses could it own and run? Anything that could be done online, where Autists have an advantage?

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17 Apr 2014, 12:50 pm

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I say we call it Genosha. :wink:

Seriously, though.
I'm a tech & web developer, there are a lot of coders among us, a lot of artists, and a lot of writers & media folks.

We could start our own online entertainment collective, make apps & games to make it interactive, have cinematic and theatrical elements., etc.
Once established as an income base we could start investing in more conventional things like science & engineering 'cause we 've got a lot of those too.
It could expand from there.
It's an idea, a doable one with enough people & backing.

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17 Apr 2014, 12:56 pm

Let us just devise a way to take over the world. Pinky!

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17 Apr 2014, 4:06 pm

Bodyles wrote:

Magneto wrote:

I say we call it Genosha. :wink:

So, how should we start? How do we prevent entryism - mandatory demonstration of diagnosis?

A web of trust?

Before that, perhaps we can create an online hub to serve as a proto-phyle, to have a place to discuss all this? A social network geared towards Autists? A collection of resources for Autists?

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17 Apr 2014, 9:30 pm

I am SO loving the direction this thread is going! We ARE starting an autistic community within a community. in about a year and a half in Thornton Colorado. one house at a time. Ten year plan involves businesses, single family homes, retiree centers, and a chance for Autistic kids to grow up surrounded by an awareness of their awesomeness,

There will be so much more discussion on this at next years AutHaven,. True long term planning if you want to be part of it. Lots of other cool stuff if you don't.

Neurodivergent Labs is already in the baby steps of putting high tech employment opportunities together for ,"Autistics. Star Ford, the author of "A Fieldguide to Earthlings," and the one building Ocate Cliffs in NM. is also the founder of Neurodivergent Labs. She will be speaking next year at AutHaven, as she did earlier this year.

Guys, we CAN do this!

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17 Apr 2014, 10:18 pm

I'm a mechanic, I fix cars. How can I help.

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17 Apr 2014, 10:25 pm

NT offspring will have to be allowed citizenship.But i like this idea. I propose for government a presidential semi-communism. Anyone can vote for the pres,free healthcare,and equal wealth. Even a congress and supreme court. Maybe a new language,too.

ex:
apple=asuth

moon=moin
name of language:asproogrian

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17 Apr 2014, 10:59 pm

Feralucce wrote:

vickygleitz wrote:

A hell of a lot better environment than experienced here. An environment where they actually CAN thrive. WE NEED TO STOP UNDERESTIMATING OURSELVES AND OUR PEOPLE!

Where have I EVER underestimated myself? or any other Aspie? Hell... the problems I have on this site is because I tend to give everyone way too much credit starting out and I am disappointed because I OVER-estimated them

And our people? you mean humans? Simply put, we don't have a "people" in the traditional sense... that requires a single cultural origin... traditions and history... This sentiment is just another form of racism... Another case of Us vs. Them... and those attitudes have no place in the modern world.

And I agree... we need an environment that we can thrive in... but Aspergia isn't it.

yeah..

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18 Apr 2014, 3:11 am

Magneto wrote:

Bodyles wrote:

Magneto wrote:

I say we call it Genosha. :wink:

So, how should we start? How do we prevent entryism - mandatory demonstration of diagnosis?

I'd imagine that the first step would be to bring together like minded people who can prove their diagnosis & professional ability by providing documentation (or concrete examples of what they can do) ahead of time which we would then have independantly verified. We'd charge each person a small fee to pay for the verification, waived for those who also provide verifiable documentation of being on SS, SSDI, SSI, unemployment, their international equivalents, or proof of extremely low income and/or lack of financial resources.
Basically, set up a website which is mostly just information & registration.
Have open registration for say 6 months or a year, and provided we get a minimum number of verified participants (maybe at least 50 who are willing to work, with at least 5 coders, 5 techs, 5 artists, 5 businesspeople, 5 mediamakers, and 5 writers among them to start), we then move to the next step which would be concurrent planning & fundraising.

What do you think?

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18 Apr 2014, 3:42 am

vickygleitz wrote:

Interesting.

Since I'm pretty sure there's no precedent for an artificial tribe (phyle) to be recognized as an extraterritorial sovereign entity anywhere, that promises to be the most difficult & problematic aspect as establishing the new legal constructs & precedents won't be easy even it's possible to do so.

I think we'd want to get the phyle initially organized, the core business(es) up & running, and get recognized as a soveriegn, extraterritorial phyle at least in the US, if not internationally, before expanding to include other autistic ventures, and that's even if they'd want to bring their businesses and/or communities under the auspices of the phyle after becoming members.

Still, it'd be great to have those people on board in terms of their commitment to & membership in the phyle ASAP.

yournamehere wrote:

I'm a mechanic, I fix cars. How can I help.

Well, my car needs to be fixed right now... :wink:

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18 Apr 2014, 6:39 am

Could we get an online "incubator" set up soon - say, a Wiki and a Forum - to discuss all these concepts? Perhaps allowing for the different projects (online artist collective, Vicky's community etc) to have their own sites on it? Later, add verification of Autist status. Something more than just a discussion board though.

Hopefully, that will be able to serve as the egg for the fledgling phyle to hatch from.

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18 Apr 2014, 7:02 am

Magneto wrote:

Sure.
We just need someone to spearhead the project.... :chin:

I hereby appoint/designate/elevate you, Magneto, to the position of Chief Organizer in charge of securing hosting, a domain, deciding what format you want, and implementing it. :wtg:

You're now the new proto-phyle's highest ranking member! :king:

Congratulations!

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18 Apr 2014, 8:19 am

Crap.

In that case, then, I hereby appoint you as Webmaster of Autasia. Or whatever its founding members wish for it to be called.

On the practical note, I still haven't started learning how to create and run a website. I don't know how I would start going about it.

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19 Apr 2014, 12:19 am

For starters it has to be somewhere cold so we can wear a lot of clothing(this would be a big plus for me because I live in a desert so I can't wear my jacket year round and it's a very comforting item for me)

I can't imagine it could actually work all sensory violations would have to be punished by a slap on the wrist... and you can't say nts can't join way too many logistical issues with that

I don't know about our military strength either we'd have to have some kind of remote combat that didn't involve people... perhaps a 3 strikes system with a large missile assembly?

self sufficiency would be IMPERATIVE. We can't depend on any counties to help us out that would only bring out conflict

I think we'd need to have our own amendments to say things like "Your right to swing your fist ends at someone elses nose" to mean that any action you preform is legal as long as all parties involved consent and absolute freedom of speech ect just things we can all agree on

I think we don't need changing laws just create basic guidelines which are very clear and cannot be misconstrued by the minds of people

and for a monetary system a sensory safe token of some kind WHICH ISN'T f*****g PAPER Paper is indeed the devil or perhaps a digital currency but it'd be hard to failsafe that...

can't think of much else

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19 Apr 2014, 7:47 am

RobKarmic wrote:

For starters it has to be somewhere cold so we can wear a lot of clothing(this would be a big plus for me because I live in a desert so I can't wear my jacket year round and it's a very comforting item for me)

I can't imagine it could actually work all sensory violations would have to be punished by a slap on the wrist... and you can't say nts can't join way too many logistical issues with that

I don't know about our military strength either we'd have to have some kind of remote combat that didn't involve people... perhaps a 3 strikes system with a large missile assembly?

self sufficiency would be IMPERATIVE. We can't depend on any counties to help us out that would only bring out conflict

I think we'd need to have our own amendments to say things like "Your right to swing your fist ends at someone elses nose" to mean that any action you preform is legal as long as all parties involved consent and absolute freedom of speech ect just things we can all agree on

I think we don't need changing laws just create basic guidelines which are very clear and cannot be misconstrued by the minds of people

and for a monetary system a sensory safe token of some kind WHICH ISN'T f***ing PAPER Paper is indeed the devil or perhaps a digital currency but it'd be hard to failsafe that...

can't think of much else

I am voting you off the island.

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