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27 Mar 2014, 10:49 am

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Didn't read the article, however I do not think it's possible to be "too smart" to find a significant other. You know, chicks and dudes dig that, actually.


To a point. Dudes tend not to dig it once it's gone past the novelty stage, esp if the woman's brighter/faster/better-educated.

I'm v. quick and have done a lot of things, multiple formal educations plus a whole bunch of other stuff. It does make it tough for a guy to keep up, and, well, men, not IME the planet's most consistently energetic creatures. I'm also easily bored in conversation and want something substantial to talk about. It's gotten to the point where I warn guys ahead of time, and they don't believe me, and then go figure, it turns out to be a real thing. Only exception was a spectacularly gifted and intelligent man, and he killed himself. There's too smart for all kinds of things.

Though he did have a nice story about being attacked physically by John Nash in a computer lab. i'd forgotten about that, just found it in email the other day.


If a woman warns me ahead of time like this (ie. "Be warned, I am very smart and I get very bored if you don't keep up an intelligent and smart conversation all the time") then I would quickly run the other way because it obviously shows that she's very arrogant and full of herself.


You'd be wrong in this case. But when I was younger I used to get lot of guys who were, you know, brighter than average (but not all that brilliant) and really thought much of *themselves* -- they'd assume they were smarter than women, and would think it was really nifty to meet a bright, extensively-educated woman. Some of them seemed to think I was like a trick dog, or something. They'd themselves all geared up for a chase, only to find that they really didn't enjoy not being able to hold up their end of the conversation, nor the fact that the mind's on whenever I'm awake. They couldn't handle not being smarter than the woman, nor what felt to them like a relentless demand for top form. It was a pain in the ass, to tell you the truth, dealing with these guys, because I had to try to protect their feelings until they backed out or I found a nice spot to say "I just don't think this is working." Now that we're older the guys tend to know themselves better, know how tired they are, and what kind of chases they don't want, so they dig a little conversation but don't waste their time or mine.



I've no problem in talking with a woman smarter or more gifted than me.

But I certainly have a problem with a woman who wants me to always prove my intelligence or always test my intelligence in every conversation I have with her during the relationship; and If I fail to constantly keep up then she gets bored and quits me.

It would feel like she's putting intelligence score points in every conversation and I have to keep up a certain high rate.

It's very tiring and unflattering indeed.

It's about the modesty vs arrogance, not smarter or less smart.


Why the assumption that "I'm easily bored by dull conversation, heads up" = "I am testing your intelligence"? Could you maybe be reading something in there?

For me, it's not about testing a guy -- why would that be interesting or fun? -- but about whether the conversational ball comes back over the net. If the guy has consistent trouble hitting it back...you know, it's not going to be fun for either of us. And it's amazing how many younger guys will insist that they're superman and will have no problem. In my life? I met two guys capable of keeping up the pace. In 45 years.

I actually appreciate the guys' self-knowledge now. I have an okc profile up; it's long and apparently interesting. I more often get guys applauding or thanking me for the read, or asking where they can find my books, than asking me on dates. And that's ironic, but great. They know their own limits and what they're looking for, and I do too. So it's nice to settle in that way. Ironic, but nice.


Your whole posts in this thread indicate that you have this attitude with guys in life, not just what you put between " ".

And If only two men in 45 years could keep up with your challenging intelligent conversations then certainly something is not right.

Plus the "They know their own limits" screams arrogance and elitism.


I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit" and stop having this conversation with you, oh forgive my rudness, Ms. overlord brainiac. I should be scared.



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27 Mar 2014, 11:00 am

I'm not sure I'd be able to tell if I was dating a woman more intelligent, IQ-wise, than me, since by most measures that I care about, and what I look for in a relationship - the feminine instinct, the emotional honestly, the wide-spectrum interpersonal wisdom and social insight, (and the other stuff too ;) ) every woman I've dated has been way ahead of me.

I find everyone interesting to talk to, and as long as they're willing to engage and communicate, there's no end to what I can learn, so I never really get bored talking to anyone.

I'm not even sure if I know what "bored" really means. I used the term as a child, "mummy I'm BORED!!" but looking back, I think I was just over-stimulated and lacking an outlet for my energies, having not yet twigged on to how amazing an interesting the world is.


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27 Mar 2014, 11:03 am

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I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P



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27 Mar 2014, 11:04 am

The mental disease part sounds hypocrite. lol

Good for you tarantella, I am getting out of here before something blows up.



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Okay, which of these is/are acceptable?

I am gay. I only date gay people of my sex; I find that otherwise it's a bad experience for both of us.

I am [religion], and it's important to me that my future partner will be part of my religious community. I don't date outside that group because we don't share enough values and ways of life in common.

Sports is my life. Whoever is with me will have to accept that during [season], I'm gone every weekend. This will not change if we have kids, so if she wants a family man, she should pick someone else.

I am full-on monogamous and don't want to be involved with someone who wants a poly life.

I'm not willing to date someone with a significant mental illness; I am crazy enough on my own, thank you.

I'm extremely sociable and enjoy throwing parties for 500, also I'm running for office. Whoever I'm involved with will have to be cool with being around
tons of people almost all the time, otherwise we'd hardly see each other and I don't want that.

I've had a long career on the theatre, first on the road, then on Broadway, and now on the road again. Whoever I'm with needs to be able to handle a life in theatre and either come with me or handle long absences. I don't date single fathers for this reason. I've had a few insist and it turns out badly.

I am an extremely successful CEO. Whoever dates me has to be similarly successful (or more) and have his own money. My experience is that men who are less conventionally successful or less wealthy start out enthusiastic, but quickly become jealous and competitive, even mean, and accuse me of being a ballbusting b***h who never takes time for them, even though I'm the same woman they thought was great the year before, and no busier than I was then. I believe ambitious men really prefer to be with women who are less rich and less visibly successful than they are. (I'm not interested in dating unambitious men, we have little in common.)



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27 Mar 2014, 11:07 am

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I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P


I don't belittle them nor I believe they should know their own limits, every one of them has the right and freedom to give a try with me.



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27 Mar 2014, 11:07 am

I don't know. If you are gifted, it is hard to find people who are on your level. I've tried dating women who are not studious or well-red and it is boring for both of us. It's much more fun to be with somebody who shares your interests.

So is the point of this discussion that you should never say that you are really intelligent because it is considered bragging?



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27 Mar 2014, 11:07 am

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I'm not sure I'd be able to tell if I was dating a woman more intelligent, IQ-wise, than me, since by most measures that I care about, and what I look for in a relationship - the feminine instinct, the emotional honestly, the wide-spectrum interpersonal wisdom and social insight, (and the other stuff too ;) ) every woman I've dated has been way ahead of me.

I find everyone interesting to talk to, and as long as they're willing to engage and communicate, there's no end to what I can learn, so I never really get bored talking to anyone.

I'm not even sure if I know what "bored" really means. I used the term as a child, "mummy I'm BORED!!" but looking back, I think I was just over-stimulated and lacking an outlet for my energies, having not yet twigged on to how amazing an interesting the world is.


I have just met you but I feel confident in saying that this stuff in bold, sir, is a bear faced lie. I bet that you wouldn't have to think very hard before coming up with at least one person who you'd run to hide from in a heartbeat. :roll:



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27 Mar 2014, 11:09 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P


I don't belittle them nor I believe they should know their own limits, every one of them is free to give a try with me.


Sweetie, allowing someone a 'try with you' when you have already decided that they don't meet your criteria for acceptable girlfriend material IS belitling them. I don't understand why you don't see this though?



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27 Mar 2014, 11:19 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P


I don't belittle them nor I believe they should know their own limits, every one of them has the right and freedom to give a try with me.


Is it possible your entire orientation here is so competitive that you read everything through that filter, even when it's inappropriate?

I know my limits with skis: namely, I should not put them on my feet. Me and Mr. Olympic Skier - no chance, unlikely we'd even be in the same bar. Does that mean I suck? No. It means I'm a total klutz who doesn't want a torn ACL. Good luck to him with being beautiful on the trails with a good match.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm not interested in guys "giving a try" with me when it's obviously a bad match. It wastes both our time and energy. By midlife, it seems most guys value these things and are also aware that hey, the lady's time and energy might be worth something, too. So they recognize it's not going to work, say something nice about the profile, and wish me luck. It's nice. I don't have to deal so often anymore with guys trying to prove something.



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27 Mar 2014, 11:26 am

leafplant wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
leafplant wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P


I don't belittle them nor I believe they should know their own limits, every one of them is free to give a try with me.


Sweetie, allowing someone a 'try with you' when you have already decided that they don't meet your crieria for acceptable girlfriend material IS belitling them. I don't understand why you don't see this though?


Why would it be belittling them? I am not leading them on to ask me out but they're free to try if that what they want to try.

I would not accept them as partners if their life is just about shopping and gossip but I wouldn't have the "How dare you ask ME out??!" attitude; plus some of these shopping girls are friends with me (yet not everything about them is just shopping) and they are better than me in other aspects.



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27 Mar 2014, 11:28 am

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I'm not sure I'd be able to tell if I was dating a woman more intelligent, IQ-wise, than me, since by most measures that I care about, and what I look for in a relationship - the feminine instinct, the emotional honestly, the wide-spectrum interpersonal wisdom and social insight, (and the other stuff too ;) ) every woman I've dated has been way ahead of me.

I find everyone interesting to talk to, and as long as they're willing to engage and communicate, there's no end to what I can learn, so I never really get bored talking to anyone.

I'm not even sure if I know what "bored" really means. I used the term as a child, "mummy I'm BORED!!" but looking back, I think I was just over-stimulated and lacking an outlet for my energies, having not yet twigged on to how amazing an interesting the world is.


I have just met you but I feel confident in saying that this stuff in bold, sir, is a bear faced lie. I bet that you wouldn't have to think very hard before coming up with at least one person who you'd run to hide from in a heartbeat. :roll:


A bare faced lie? A tad harsh, but that's OK! I suppose I should add the extra qualifier " And they're a basically nice person", which would obviously discount some people, but other than that, it's the truth..at least as far back as I can remember.

Think about it.. even if someone is so far "down-the-scale" as it were that on the face of it they had nothing at all of interest to say.... isn't that in itself, interesting? I'd be wondering about the neurology of it all, trying to understand their view on the world. In some ways it's like opening the bonnet of a car. You can see the engine, the workings, and all the other aspects of consciousness and the human condition, and realise that classic "intelligence" is just one layer of a far deeper and more complex system that is the human mind.

Or maybe it's just me. :)


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27 Mar 2014, 11:33 am

Nobody likes a know-it-all. If someone is constantly trying to show their knowledge and refuses to acknowledge other views I wouldn't want to spend much time with them.


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27 Mar 2014, 11:34 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
leafplant wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
leafplant wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P


I don't belittle them nor I believe they should know their own limits, every one of them is free to give a try with me.


Sweetie, allowing someone a 'try with you' when you have already decided that they don't meet your crieria for acceptable girlfriend material IS belitling them. I don't understand why you don't see this though?


Why would it be belittling them? I am not leading them on to ask me out but they're free to try if that what they want to try.

I would not accept them as partners if their life is just about shopping and gossip but I wouldn't have the "How dare you ask ME out??!" attitude; plus some of these shopping girls are friends with me (yet not everything about them is just shopping) and they are better than me in other aspects.



This is getting very confusing, but I guess that's the whole reason why we all hang out here..

Anyhow..so when someone says 'I would let them try it on with me' in my experience it means the person is effectively setting up an ambush for the other person. Like, ha! now you will pay for not paying attention properly and approaching me when you should have known better - or something along those lines.

Now, what tarantella was saying is that she prefers to be upfront with people so that they wouldn't waste their own (as well as her) time by approaching her if it's already clear they are not compatible, whereas what I understood you were saying is that you don't mind wasting their time or yours by having the ladies try and strike up conversation with you (lets face it, we are talking protracted getting to know you process before it is decided if there is compatibility).

Unless you mean you would allow them to message you at first but you would immediately inform them that you are not interested? In which case how is your process of elimination different to that of tarantella? I have read your profile remember, and it was really very rude in that respect, so I cannot understand why you are having a go at tarantella when you are basically saying more or less the same thing on your own profile.

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27 Mar 2014, 11:35 am

tarantella64 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
leafplant wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P


I don't belittle them nor I believe they should know their own limits, every one of them has the right and freedom to give a try with me.


Is it possible your entire orientation here is so competitive that you read everything through that filter, even when it's inappropriate?

I know my limits with skis: namely, I should not put them on my feet. Me and Mr. Olympic Skier - no chance, unlikely we'd even be in the same bar. Does that mean I suck? No. It means I'm a total klutz who doesn't want a torn ACL. Good luck to him with being beautiful on the trails with a good match.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm not interested in guys "giving a try" with me when it's obviously a bad match. It wastes both our time and energy. By midlife, it seems most guys value these things and are also aware that hey, the lady's time and energy might be worth something, too. So they recognize it's not going to work, say something nice about the profile, and wish me luck. It's nice. I don't have to deal so often anymore with guys trying to prove something.



Our chief accountant is extremely obsessed about snowboarding and surfing - he would check every morning the snow/wave level on a website and he completely rejoices if things are good for the upcoming weekend, and gets bad mood when things are not.

Yet his wife, an auditor, is not the sporty type at all nor she ever engages in these activities.

They are of two different religions too, He's Maronite Christian, she's Sunnite Muslim. None of them is atheist or totally non-religious.

They're completely understanding with each other in every way.

And they have been married for more than 4 years with a child.



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27 Mar 2014, 11:40 am

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I'm not sure I'd be able to tell if I was dating a woman more intelligent, IQ-wise, than me, since by most measures that I care about, and what I look for in a relationship - the feminine instinct, the emotional honestly, the wide-spectrum interpersonal wisdom and social insight, (and the other stuff too ;) ) every woman I've dated has been way ahead of me.

I find everyone interesting to talk to, and as long as they're willing to engage and communicate, there's no end to what I can learn, so I never really get bored talking to anyone.

I'm not even sure if I know what "bored" really means. I used the term as a child, "mummy I'm BORED!!" but looking back, I think I was just over-stimulated and lacking an outlet for my energies, having not yet twigged on to how amazing an interesting the world is.


I have just met you but I feel confident in saying that this stuff in bold, sir, is a bear faced lie. I bet that you wouldn't have to think very hard before coming up with at least one person who you'd run to hide from in a heartbeat. :roll:


A bare faced lie? A tad harsh, but that's OK! I suppose I should add the extra qualifier " And they're a basically nice person", which would obviously discount some people, but other than that, it's the truth..at least as far back as I can remember.

Think about it.. even if someone is so far "down-the-scale" as it were that on the face of it they had nothing at all of interest to say.... isn't that in itself, interesting? I'd be wondering about the neurology of it all, trying to understand their view on the world. In some ways it's like opening the bonnet of a car. You can see the engine, the workings, and all the other aspects of consciousness and the human condition, and realise that classic "intelligence" is just one layer of a far deeper and more complex system that is the human mind.

Or maybe it's just me. :)


So, what is a nice person. :sigh:

It is probably not just you, but it is definitely not me. I find most people beyond tedious. It's like they all come off a factory line, there is hardly anything unique or what I haven't heard before a million times. Even this sentence and this very interaction with yourself I have lived through at least a dozen times, with different people.

If you open a bonnet of a car you find exactly what you expect to find for a given car unless you have opened a bonnet of a custom made job. But even then, there will be an engine and all the other bits you expect to find in a car, maybe slightly differently arranged, but it will be there.

Perhaps this doesn't bore you in the slightest, but some people are bored by it. Anyway, this is why we have customs and ideas of politeness etc. to prevent people who slinking off when bored mid conversation or interrupting the other person or otherwise behaving in autistic manner. 8O



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27 Mar 2014, 11:41 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
leafplant wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I wonder if I am supposed to "know my own limit"


People always want to engage with their betters, but are relcutant to spend time on those who they consider lesser than themselves. Need we remind you of countless females you dismissed on OKC because of their stupidity or interests in shopping and gossip? :P


I don't belittle them nor I believe they should know their own limits, every one of them has the right and freedom to give a try with me.


Is it possible your entire orientation here is so competitive that you read everything through that filter, even when it's inappropriate?

I know my limits with skis: namely, I should not put them on my feet. Me and Mr. Olympic Skier - no chance, unlikely we'd even be in the same bar. Does that mean I suck? No. It means I'm a total klutz who doesn't want a torn ACL. Good luck to him with being beautiful on the trails with a good match.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm not interested in guys "giving a try" with me when it's obviously a bad match. It wastes both our time and energy. By midlife, it seems most guys value these things and are also aware that hey, the lady's time and energy might be worth something, too. So they recognize it's not going to work, say something nice about the profile, and wish me luck. It's nice. I don't have to deal so often anymore with guys trying to prove something.



Our chief accountant is extremely obsessed about snowboarding and surfing - he would check every morning the snow/wave level on a website and he completely rejoices if things are good for the upcoming weekend, and gets bad mood when things are not.

Yet his wife, an auditor, is not the sporty type at all nor she ever engages in these activities.

They are of two different religions too, He's Maronite Christian, she's Sunnite Muslim. None of them is atheist or totally non-religious.

They're completely understanding with each other in every way.

And they have been married for more than 4 years with a child.


Good for them but for the love of everything that is holy please understand that one example does not mean everyone else is the same. Or should be the same.

Everyone has a right to define their own personal happiness however they see fit, k?