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05 Apr 2014, 11:25 am

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/opinion/d ... erg-bossy/
http://news.yahoo.com/sheryl-sandberg-o ... 55682.html
http://mashable.com/2014/03/10/lean-in-bossy/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3140218/posts

so,it's not Ok to call a woman ''bossy''
yet,calling a guy a ''creep'' is ok.
If,a guy was trying to banned ''bossy'' for men,
he would be told to man up, that he needs to get laid,
he has small dick,a wimp.



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05 Apr 2014, 12:01 pm

What?

I got to say, I don't know where they're getting this idea that only girls are called know-it-alls. Anyone who knows more than another person and shows it is usually called a know-it-all, and anyone who tries to boss people around in a manner they don't do well with will be called bossy. Maybe girls need to learn how to tell people what to do, instead. Maybe if they didn't try to tell other people what to do, they wouldn't be called bossy.

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05 Apr 2014, 12:09 pm

here a quote from free republic:
''All of the women in this campaign, in high-ranking leadership positions, who want to ban 'bossy' because they were called 'bossy' and being called 'bossy' prevents women from reaching high-ranking leadership pos . . .

Umm. Something's not right here. ''



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05 Apr 2014, 12:16 pm

The article may be referring to the use of "bossy" as a diminutive to keep women from attaining power within the group. That's not to say that women can't be bossy - anybody can be. And it's not always wrong to call them on it.
There is a belief that professional women are threatening to their male counterparts and using terms such as "bossy," "cold," "sexually repressed" could be used to alienate them. I don't know if there's any truth to this.


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05 Apr 2014, 12:17 pm

The word "bossy" is not a gender specific term. Boys get called "bossy" too. When I think about bossy people, I'm usually thinking about people who simply order other people around and being a leader is not about that. This looks like the stupidest campaigns that I've seen in a while.



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05 Apr 2014, 2:58 pm

Jono wrote:
The word "bossy" is not a gender specific term. Boys get called "bossy" too. When I think about bossy people, I'm usually thinking about people who simply order other people around and being a leader is not about that. This looks like the stupidest campaigns that I've seen in a while.


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Maybe not quite as stupid as #CancelColbert, but it's close.


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05 Apr 2014, 3:52 pm

If you haven't noticed the gender-specific ways in which socialization works, then that probably results from your support for that type of gender-specific socialization.

I like words, and I'd prefer people wake up to their double standards rather than ban their use. That applies to the word creep, as well.

As far as my preferences go, I actually prefer the style of more of my female bosses to the style of my male bosses, but I appreciate that other employees needed a more aggressive approach to get them moving. Those people found it easier to criticize the female managers due to the double-standard of socialization.



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05 Apr 2014, 4:41 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
If you haven't noticed the gender-specific ways in which socialization works, then that probably results from your support for that type of gender-specific socialization.

I like words, and I'd prefer people wake up to their double standards rather than ban their use. That applies to the word creep, as well.

As far as my preferences go, I actually prefer the style of more of my female bosses to the style of my male bosses, but I appreciate that other employees needed a more aggressive approach to get them moving. Those people found it easier to criticize the female managers due to the double-standard of socialization.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/13/living/id ... male-boss/
http://www.businessinsider.com/women-an ... es-2013-11
http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/artic ... osses.html



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05 Apr 2014, 5:16 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/ ... -campaign/

More women are succeeding in education than men. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, during the 2009-10 academic year, more degrees were conferred to women than men: 62 percent of Associate’s degrees; 57.4 percent of Bachelor Arts degrees; 62.6 percent of Master’s degrees and 53.3 percent of doctoral degrees were conferred to women.

The U.S. has the highest proportion of women in senior management positions (43%) of any country in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (women comprise 47% of the U.S. labor force).

Our country was ranked eighth globally in gender equality by the World Economic Forum.

Twenty-four percent of working American women are in professional fields (compared to only 16% of working American men).

And 46 percent of American firms are owned or co-owned by women.

As a conservative, I am grateful for the smart, capable, and successful women on the right. They are continually insulted and threatened, because they speak their minds.

“Bossy” would seem like a compliment compared to the words spewed on Twitter at women like Michele Bachmann, S.E. Cupp, and Laura Ingraham.

It would take some serious bandwidth to list the names conservative women like Beverly LaHaye, Dana Perino, Dana Loesch, Mary Katherine Ham, Kerry Picket, Sabrina Schaeffer, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) and others have been called.

All the women on this list handle it with grace and bravely press on. They are simply leaders, and if that makes them "bossy," well, they’ve been called worse.



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05 Apr 2014, 6:19 pm

April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.



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05 Apr 2014, 7:56 pm

billiscool wrote:
here a quote from free republic:
''All of the women in this campaign, in high-ranking leadership positions, who want to ban 'bossy' because they were called 'bossy' and being called 'bossy' prevents women from reaching high-ranking leadership pos . . .

Umm. Something's not right here. ''


Haha, you're a Freeper? Well, that explains a few things.



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05 Apr 2014, 8:43 pm

When this word comes up I think of two things,my ex and a Jersey cow.


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05 Apr 2014, 9:13 pm

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When this word comes up I think of two things,my ex and a Jersey cow.


That reminds me of a joke I read in a joke book published in 1968 that refers to a bit of cultural history from the time of World War One:

Farmer to cow: "Brace yourself, Bossy. The Yanks are coming."


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05 Apr 2014, 9:37 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
I actually prefer the style of more of my female bosses to the style of my male bosses, but I appreciate that other employees needed a more aggressive approach to get them moving.


I can probably respect that. If I think about the differences between my male and female bosses, the women were usually less direct. Tact can be nice. That said, I actually preferred one of my immediate supervisors (a woman) to her two superiors (one of each) because she was frank and didn't sugar coat things. They were the exact opposite. We were a non-profit, so we certainly needed to sweet-talk donors, but we also had things that weren't working. There was a lot of mis-communication, and people were afraid of offending the two top people because they were touchy. I'm vegetarian, but I like to tell people that you can't have turkey dinner on Thanksgiving without ruffling some feathers.

Regardig Sandberg, I have zero respect for anyone at facebook (except as manipulators). Their "tech" savvy is so lacking that after years of Intel and other companies warning developers that multicore chips would need threaded apps, their CTO gave a talk to system vendors blasting them for not providing the same year-on-year performance gains as in the past. That should have surprised nobody. There were already threaded versions of the opensource apps that Facebook uses. All he needed to do was switch to them.

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April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.


I guess that I just haven't seen that. The statistics that I know of just go by level of education (two-year, four-year, etc.). Girls do pretty well in school. I worked as a quality engineer despite not having the degree, so in those statistics I would have shown up as overpaid because I made (barely) more than a woman with the same level of education might have. Never mind that I made a lot less than women doing the same actual work. I did my job well, and I eat my own soup: I calibrated quality control equipment for jet engine manufacturers, and I fly in those planes. The aforementioned figures also assume that every masters degree is equal, and that the hours worked don't matter.



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06 Apr 2014, 8:22 am

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
When this word comes up I think of two things,my ex and a Jersey cow.


That reminds me of a joke I read in a joke book published in 1968 that refers to a bit of cultural history from the time of World War One:

Farmer to cow: "Brace yourself, Bossy. The Yanks are coming."

8O :lol:


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06 Apr 2014, 6:15 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.


They are also 60% less likely to ask for a raise or a promotion than men. But i guess thats mens fault as well?