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06 Apr 2014, 6:15 pm

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April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.


They are also 60% less likely to ask for a raise or a promotion than men. But i guess thats mens fault as well?



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06 Apr 2014, 6:59 pm

Only to the extent that men participate in the socialization of girls to behave like that, like by calling them bossy while urging boys to be assertive.



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06 Apr 2014, 7:09 pm

DevKit wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.


They are also 60% less likely to ask for a raise or a promotion than men. But i guess thats mens fault as well?

That isn't why women are paid less.

Women actually receive more raises than men, it's just the raises are a lot smaller.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brycecovert ... igher-pay/



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06 Apr 2014, 10:16 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
DevKit wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.


They are also 60% less likely to ask for a raise or a promotion than men. But i guess thats mens fault as well?

That isn't why women are paid less.

Women actually receive more raises than men, it's just the raises are a lot smaller.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brycecovert ... igher-pay/


So you are saying that they are willing to give in to smaller raises rather than demand a larger one. This just makes it worse nor better buddy.



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06 Apr 2014, 11:06 pm

DevKit wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.


They are also 60% less likely to ask for a raise or a promotion than men. But i guess thats mens fault as well?


A lot of that has to do with women being trapped in single-parenthood after the father goes out for a pack of cigarettes and never comes home. Thus, she has to make as much money as possible to support the child that she's half responsible for.

So yes, it often is a man's fault. *Drops the mic*



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06 Apr 2014, 11:46 pm

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A lot of that has to do with women being trapped in single-parenthood after the father goes out for a pack of cigarettes and never comes home. Thus, she has to make as much money as possible to support the child that she's half responsible for.

So yes, it often is a man's fault. *Drops the mic*


yeah,but if people were more conservative,we would
have less single mother.



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07 Apr 2014, 4:47 am

DevKit wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
DevKit wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
April 8 is Equal Pay Day. Women get paid, on average, sufficiently less that their equivalent male counterparts, that they have effectively worked for no pay up through Monday.


They are also 60% less likely to ask for a raise or a promotion than men. But i guess thats mens fault as well?

That isn't why women are paid less.

Women actually receive more raises than men, it's just the raises are a lot smaller.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brycecovert ... igher-pay/


So you are saying that they are willing to give in to smaller raises rather than demand a larger one. This just makes it worse nor better buddy.

:lol:

Our society has a taboo on asking people what they are paid. As a result, people do not know what their fellow employees are paid, unless the company has a rigid pay scheme.

You are completely ignorant of the issue, just as many women are completely ignorant of the fact that they're paid less than the guy in the next cubicle over. It is the fault of the employer for not paying her enough, not the employee for not being given enough
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TheGoggles wrote:

A lot of that has to do with women being trapped in single-parenthood after the father goes out for a pack of cigarettes and never comes home. Thus, she has to make as much money as possible to support the child that she's half responsible for.

So yes, it often is a man's fault. *Drops the mic*


yeah,but if people were more conservative,we would
have less single mother.

Republicans get divorced more than Democrats.

This is probably because Democrats are, on average, more educated. Educated people take longer to marry. Less-educated people marry quickly, often to an unsuitable person.

It is the values of those associated with the Democratic party, not the Republican party, which reduce divorce rates.

We see the same thing with teenage pregnancy.

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07 Apr 2014, 6:38 am

billiscool wrote:
TheGoggles wrote:

A lot of that has to do with women being trapped in single-parenthood after the father goes out for a pack of cigarettes and never comes home. Thus, she has to make as much money as possible to support the child that she's half responsible for.

So yes, it often is a man's fault. *Drops the mic*


yeah,but if people were more conservative,we would
have less single mother.


Also, red states have higher divorce rates than blue states:
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07 Apr 2014, 7:37 am

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Republicans get divorced more than Democrats.

This is probably because Democrats are, on average, more educated. Educated people take longer to marry. Less-educated people marry quickly, often to an unsuitable person.

It is the values of those associated with the Democratic party, not the Republican party, which reduce divorce rates.

We see the same thing with teenage pregnancy.

And there I was drifting through life thinking that there was at least one problem not created by Republicans.

You've drawn a ridiculous conclusion. Did it ever occur to you that Democrats have lower divorce rates because they advocate informal unions over marriage, and that teenage pregnancy is linked to income level and ethnicity rather than political affiliation? Oh, and claiming that education is an exclusively Democratic attribute is elitism at its best.



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07 Apr 2014, 8:12 am

Let's hear your explanation for the higher rates of teen pregnancy in red states, then.



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07 Apr 2014, 8:19 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
billiscool wrote:
TheGoggles wrote:

A lot of that has to do with women being trapped in single-parenthood after the father goes out for a pack of cigarettes and never comes home. Thus, she has to make as much money as possible to support the child that she's half responsible for.

So yes, it often is a man's fault. *Drops the mic*


yeah,but if people were more conservative,we would
have less single mother.


Also, red states have higher divorce rates than blue states:
source


You must be careful with statistics. This statistics considers divorces/ 1000 habitants, non divorces/1000 married people. The more people are married, the more people divorce. Indeed, going to an extreme case, in a imaginary perfect non-conservative liberal State where everybody has common-law partners and nobody is married, the divorce rate would be... 0 divorces/1000 habitants!

As it is said, the first cause of divorce is marriage.



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07 Apr 2014, 8:32 am

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You must be careful with statistics. This statistics considers divorces/ 1000 habitants, non divorces/1000 married people. The more people are married, the more people divorce. Indeed, going to an extreme case, in a imaginary perfect non-conservative liberal State where everybody has common-law partners and nobody is married, the divorce rate would be... 0 divorces/1000 habitants!

As it is said, the first cause of divorce is marriage.


You must be careful with reading.

From the second link in the article link
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Their work confirms that one of the strongest factors predicting divorce rates (per 1000 married couples) is the concentration of conservative or evangelical Protestants in that county.



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07 Apr 2014, 8:44 am

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If,a guy was trying to banned ''bossy'' for men,
he would be told to man up, that he needs to get laid,
he has small dick,a wimp.


Not very many women would say any of those things.

So is this the way you talk to men? If so, then you are promoting an atmosphere where men should be in charge and women should just be there for when men want to get laid.


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07 Apr 2014, 9:11 am

billiscool wrote:
TheGoggles wrote:

A lot of that has to do with women being trapped in single-parenthood after the father goes out for a pack of cigarettes and never comes home. Thus, she has to make as much money as possible to support the child that she's half responsible for.

So yes, it often is a man's fault. *Drops the mic*


yeah,but if people were more conservative,we would
have less single mother.

How do you figure this?
Nothing stops conservative men from walking out on their wives and children.


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07 Apr 2014, 9:13 am

Shrapnel wrote:
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Republicans get divorced more than Democrats.

This is probably because Democrats are, on average, more educated. Educated people take longer to marry. Less-educated people marry quickly, often to an unsuitable person.

It is the values of those associated with the Democratic party, not the Republican party, which reduce divorce rates.

We see the same thing with teenage pregnancy.

And there I was drifting through life thinking that there was at least one problem not created by Republicans.

You've drawn a ridiculous conclusion. Did it ever occur to you that Democrats have lower divorce rates because they advocate informal unions over marriage, and that teenage pregnancy is linked to income level and ethnicity rather than political affiliation? Oh, and claiming that education is an exclusively Democratic attribute is elitism at its best.

I do not think that high divorce rates are caused by Republicanism as such. I was merely pointing out that Bill's hypothesis that Republicans would have lower divorce rates than Democrats was wrong. In reality, education is a confounding variable that makes marriages more likely to succeed, and Americans more likely to be Democrats.

My claim that "the values of those..." requires further clarification. Broadly speaking, Republicans get married because they should do. Democrats get married because they have found someone they want to marry. Of course, this is not always true, but if you were to compare the groups, that's what you'd find. You seem to agree with this - Democrats advocate informal unions and only get married when they want to. You should instead have criticised my assumption that single mothers were either teenagers or divorcees. This is perhaps not a suitable heuristic.

If you were trying to imply that Democratic "divorces" don't count as such because Democrats don't get married as often, that's fine, and basically what I was saying. Kuku is wrong to say that the stat is "divorces per 1000 people" - in both citations, it is divorces per marriage.

One thing that teenage pregancy is linked to is sex education. Republicans advocate for abstinence-only sex education. States that teach abstinence-only sex education have higher rates of teenage pregnancy than those which teach proper sex education.

Finally, I did not say "education is exclusively a Democratic attribute". I said "Democrats tend to be better educated". This is well-documented. Source 1, 2. Again, this might not be "smart people become Democrats"- remember that college attendance has been rising for decades, and older people tend to be more conservative...



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07 Apr 2014, 9:29 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Republicans get divorced more than Democrats.



Im talking about talking about single mothers,
not divorce mothers,there's a difference.
There maybe more out of wedlock kids
in the conservative state,however is the father
or mother loyal to the kid or each other.

to me a single mother is a woman who
A:has no idea who the father is
or
B:the father left before the kid was even born

a divorce,separated mother
A:know who the father is
and
B:the father didn't leave until the kid got older