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13 Apr 2014, 12:59 am

How many people have been killed by Christians?
Persecution, fear, intolerance and violence seem to stain christianity a deep unsettling shade of red


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13 Apr 2014, 3:24 am

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oh,like atheist aren't pushing their agenda down
people throat. Religious people have rights too.


Public opinion is the main barrier to religious theocracy, and public opinion is influenced by public atheists, and promoters of science and reason. I doubt whether many conservatives would much like the culture that would result if the promoters of reason all spontaneously decided to throw in the towel. It would probably have more in common with Saudi Arabia than anything the U.S founding father's envisioned. Nobody in the mainstream is talking (Nor should they) about outlawing religion, but opposing pressure must constantly be applied if we are to avoid tyranny under christian, or any other religions, rule; evangelical's are busy.



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13 Apr 2014, 7:43 am

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As the Patriot Act reminds us, when un constitutional legislation is allied to favourable public opinion, the constitution may be steamrolled.



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13 Apr 2014, 8:02 am

Stannis wrote:
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As the Patriot Act reminds us, when un constitutional legislation is allied to favourable public opinion, the constitution may be steamrolled.

As The Defense of Marriage Act reminds us, when unconstitutional legislation is subject to unfavourable Supreme Court opinion, the unconstitutional legislation will be steam-rolled.

Besides, several parts of the Patriot Act have been struck down by Federal courts as unconstitutional.

These shenanigans in Louisiana will have no chance of surviving in SCOTUS, as they are even more blatant violations of the Establishment Clause than the Everson v. Board of Education case.



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13 Apr 2014, 8:40 am

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The Bible is full of contradictions and confusion. That's why there's so many different denominations of Christianity. Hell, I don't need to read it since all you atheists seem to enjoy doing it for me. Same for Fox News and conservative talk shows; I just listen for what the liberals have their drawers in a knot over to get the gist of it.

Unlike Fox News, the Bible really is worth reading.

I think it's a great shame that it is deified so much. Christians are too busy praising it as the Word Of God, atheists are too busy slagging it off, and too few people actually appreciate it as a great selection of literature.



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13 Apr 2014, 12:58 pm

khaoz wrote:
billiscool wrote:
oh,like atheist aren't pushing their agenda down
people throat. Religious people have rights too.


Is anyone burning down churches these days? Is anyone pulling crosses off of people necks? There are churches on every corner of my town. No one is trying to close them down. All Atheists are doing is asking that religious people observe the separation of church and state, and religious people are denying that the 1st Amendment exists. It is Christians who are persecuting Atheists, not the other way around. Christians want Atheists to shut up and disappear. Atheists simply want Christians to obey the law. The apartment I live in has Bibles laying in open view in all the common areas. They hold weekly prayer meetings and Bible studies here and a minister comes here twice a week to preach. No one says anything about it. If an Atheist were to say anything the residents would try to get the Atheists thrown out, There are currently at least 3 major motion pictures in the theaters that are centered around your religion. One of them has been attacked by Christians who demand it was changed. There are Christian television programs on at least 15 channels of my local cable channel. No one is trying to have them removed.

Please equate to me again how Atheists are pushing their agenda down people throat.


Christians are being persecuted in both North Korea and Burma as we speak. American Atheists have no formal power to speak of, so they can't really afford to be hostile.

Keep in mind that atheists are a minority in the US. If you read comments on newspaper articles, YouTube clips, and so on, you'll see plenty of atheists who parrot what they've seen on Zeitgeist or pretend to know something about geopolitical issues.


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13 Apr 2014, 2:06 pm

Kurgan wrote:
khaoz wrote:
billiscool wrote:
oh,like atheist aren't pushing their agenda down
people throat. Religious people have rights too.


Is anyone burning down churches these days? Is anyone pulling crosses off of people necks? There are churches on every corner of my town. No one is trying to close them down. All Atheists are doing is asking that religious people observe the separation of church and state, and religious people are denying that the 1st Amendment exists. It is Christians who are persecuting Atheists, not the other way around. Christians want Atheists to shut up and disappear. Atheists simply want Christians to obey the law. The apartment I live in has Bibles laying in open view in all the common areas. They hold weekly prayer meetings and Bible studies here and a minister comes here twice a week to preach. No one says anything about it. If an Atheist were to say anything the residents would try to get the Atheists thrown out, There are currently at least 3 major motion pictures in the theaters that are centered around your religion. One of them has been attacked by Christians who demand it was changed. There are Christian television programs on at least 15 channels of my local cable channel. No one is trying to have them removed.

Please equate to me again how Atheists are pushing their agenda down people throat.


Christians are being persecuted in both North Korea and Burma as we speak. American Atheists have no formal power to speak of, so they can't really afford to be hostile.

Keep in mind that atheists are a minority in the US. If you read comments on newspaper articles, YouTube clips, and so on, you'll see plenty of atheists who parrot what they've seen on Zeitgeist or pretend to know something about geopolitical issues.


NK's can hardly be considered atheistic considering the way they have adapted christianity into a leadership cult & besides, christians who go to North Korea to convert North Koreans and thereby get their converts executed by the regime deserve this when they inevitably get captured > :shrug:



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13 Apr 2014, 2:37 pm

Stannis wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
khaoz wrote:
billiscool wrote:
oh,like atheist aren't pushing their agenda down
people throat. Religious people have rights too.


Is anyone burning down churches these days? Is anyone pulling crosses off of people necks? There are churches on every corner of my town. No one is trying to close them down. All Atheists are doing is asking that religious people observe the separation of church and state, and religious people are denying that the 1st Amendment exists. It is Christians who are persecuting Atheists, not the other way around. Christians want Atheists to shut up and disappear. Atheists simply want Christians to obey the law. The apartment I live in has Bibles laying in open view in all the common areas. They hold weekly prayer meetings and Bible studies here and a minister comes here twice a week to preach. No one says anything about it. If an Atheist were to say anything the residents would try to get the Atheists thrown out, There are currently at least 3 major motion pictures in the theaters that are centered around your religion. One of them has been attacked by Christians who demand it was changed. There are Christian television programs on at least 15 channels of my local cable channel. No one is trying to have them removed.

Please equate to me again how Atheists are pushing their agenda down people throat.


Christians are being persecuted in both North Korea and Burma as we speak. American Atheists have no formal power to speak of, so they can't really afford to be hostile.

Keep in mind that atheists are a minority in the US. If you read comments on newspaper articles, YouTube clips, and so on, you'll see plenty of atheists who parrot what they've seen on Zeitgeist or pretend to know something about geopolitical issues.


Christians who go to North Korea to convert North Koreans and thereby get their converts executed by the regime deserve this when they inevitably get captured > :shrug:


It's the government that chooses to execute them. I don't recall anyone being executed in the US for being atheist. Even muslim countries who have death penalty for apotasy (except for Saudi Arabia) will not enforce it in practice.


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13 Apr 2014, 2:37 pm

Thank goodness there are no atheist holiday specials on tv,and no atheist carols being sung.


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13 Apr 2014, 4:21 pm

Read the left page,
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13 Apr 2014, 5:06 pm

Tolerance and not debating a topic are not the same thing. One can attack another's view ( not the person) and still be tolerant.* However, in a public school, funded by everyone's taxes, it is unfair to expound one particular religion. For example, opening with a Christian prayer.
* I may strongly disagree with your view and I may debate you. However, I am still tolerant because I will defend your right to your beliefs even tho I strongly disagree with you. For example, I have nothing against Christian Scientists and Mormons knocking on my door. I admire their dedication. I let them enter and then show why I think their views are wrong. Just as they have the right to try and prove my ideas wrong. If they think that is being intolerant, that only means that they do not have the confidence to debate for their beliefs.


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13 Apr 2014, 5:33 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
khaoz wrote:
billiscool wrote:
oh,like atheist aren't pushing their agenda down
people throat. Religious people have rights too.


Is anyone burning down churches these days? Is anyone pulling crosses off of people necks? There are churches on every corner of my town. No one is trying to close them down. All Atheists are doing is asking that religious people observe the separation of church and state, and religious people are denying that the 1st Amendment exists. It is Christians who are persecuting Atheists, not the other way around. Christians want Atheists to shut up and disappear. Atheists simply want Christians to obey the law. The apartment I live in has Bibles laying in open view in all the common areas. They hold weekly prayer meetings and Bible studies here and a minister comes here twice a week to preach. No one says anything about it. If an Atheist were to say anything the residents would try to get the Atheists thrown out, There are currently at least 3 major motion pictures in the theaters that are centered around your religion. One of them has been attacked by Christians who demand it was changed. There are Christian television programs on at least 15 channels of my local cable channel. No one is trying to have them removed.

Please equate to me again how Atheists are pushing their agenda down people throat.


Christians are being persecuted in both North Korea and Burma as we speak. American Atheists have no formal power to speak of, so they can't really afford to be hostile.

Keep in mind that atheists are a minority in the US. If you read comments on newspaper articles, YouTube clips, and so on, you'll see plenty of atheists who parrot what they've seen on Zeitgeist or pretend to know something about geopolitical issues.


Christians who go to North Korea to convert North Koreans and thereby get their converts executed by the regime deserve this when they inevitably get captured > :shrug:


[b(1)]It's the government that chooses to execute them. (2)I don't recall anyone being executed in the US for being atheist[/b]. Even muslim countries who have death penalty for apotasy (except for Saudi Arabia) will not enforce it in practice.


-North Korea is governed by a faith based leadership cult adapted from christianity.

-Why would you compare the secular US govt's non persecution of atheists with (what you thought was) the atheist NK's persecution of christians? What point are you making with this comparison?



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13 Apr 2014, 11:21 pm

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If you think that Christianity is under attack by Atheists you, my friend, exist in Leave It to Beaver world, with Mr Ed horse blinders on both sides of your head.


Yeah, well a helluva lot of people disagree with you....
http://washingtonexaminer.com/poll-christianity-under-attack-losing-culture-war/article/2544712

"LifeWay Research's poll of 1,001 Americans and 1,007 Protestant pastors revealed that church leaders and regular churchgoers believe they are in the minority and face intolerance and segregation in America for their views from a mainstream population that is less religious."


Every recent study shows that Christianity is still the dominant religion in America. Just because a "Yeah, well a helluva lot of people disagree with you...." . People have a right to their own opinion. They do not have a right to their own facts. Christianity is alive and well in America. It is not under threat of extinction by any means. Just because mainstream America may not go to church as much, most Americans do say they believe in God as a creator and believe in heaven and hell. And Christians are nastier with their opinions. Churchgoers do not face mainstream intolerance or segregation in America. Not even close. They regard the simple tv program COSMOS as an attack on their beliefs. THAT is intolerance. I watched that show for the first time tonight and it taught or showed the exact same things I was taught back in 1967. No Christians were crying back then that science was attacking religion. We still went to church 2-3 times a week. Christians want to silence anyone who disagrees with them period. I don't even have to attack Christianity. All I have to do is say I don't believe and automatically, I am an enemy and am attacking them. As I said before, no one is trying to close down churches. No one is burning Bibles. People are just saying that Christians need to obey the law of the 1st Amendment. Christians want to deny the existence of the 1st Amendment. I don't see non-believers telling Christians to leave the country, or threatening their lives. Christians do those things. Christians want everyone who does not share their beliefs to just SHUT UP. That is intolerance. Expecting Christians to obey the law is not segregation or intolerance.



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13 Apr 2014, 11:26 pm

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I definitely consider myself a Christian but not "religious" as in being a church-goer or a bible thumper. There are those on this forum that seem to take any opportunity to take shots at Christianity.


exactly,I love how liberals preach ''tolerance''expect when
comes to republican christians.


Maybe that is because extreme right wing Christians do not behave like Christians. Extreme right wing Christians take only from the Bible what serves their purpose. They distort the teachings of Jesus Christ or disregard them altogether. Attacking the poor and the sick is not the message of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ says absolutely nothing about homosexuals. Extreme right wing Christians do not worship Jesus Christ. They worship guns and money. There is no love in their message.



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13 Apr 2014, 11:29 pm

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How many people have been killed by Christians?


Modern massacres in the name of Christianity (within the last 30 or so years).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greysteel_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide


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