Reading about Sodom and Gomorrah

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Maybe that was their version of Welcome Wagon.Or possibly door to door salesmen had gotten too thick.That'll stop those pesky Amway people.

Ya mean its okay to rape a Jehovah's Witness?

That won't deter them one bit.

Sounds like Detroit!

No, the Benjamite story from the book of Judges. It begins with gang rape, turns into genocide against the tribe of the rapists (against women and children too) and ends with the killing of all men in a neighboring town so that the rapist tribe can be given replacement women. Which is rape itself. If there is a moral message it's pretty thin. It may be a hospitality issue again. It's framed not as a random street rape but as accosting visitors at night in a strange town again.

Even some scholars who think that Sodom does involve the threat of rape STILL argue that the larger sin is a lack of hospitality. Hard to say. It's a different culture and there is no one left to ask.



That's the view of later prophets. Prophets were generally interested in social justice so they tell stories about social injustice. How would they know about a hypothetical S&G? It was thousands of years earlier. On the one hand you could argue there was some lost apocryphal writing or redacted sections of the official scrolls. That probably happened. But we can see preachers today who make strained comparisons to support the sermon of the day. I think the latter is an easier case to make.

Sounds like many cities and yet and yet they still linger...

tWe all know something about the Sin of Sodomy. What is the Sin of Gamorary all about. There is not a word of it in the Bible so it must be Unspeakable.

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I have no idea. The reason I created this topic is this Bible story in particular is just so weird and unexplained. Like at the beginning of Genesis 18, Abraham, I think, does this little song and dance with God about circumstances where he might spare the city. What I want to know is, why doesn't just flat out tell Abraham I WILL SPARE THE CITY IF I FIND ONE RIGHTEOUS PERSON! Instead of doing that song and dance. It's like a child talking to a parent.
And I wonder why the city wasn't spared since Lot was found to be righteous? I just don't get the beginning of it. Not at all. It's like, God really had not intention of saving them so why did he have that talk with Abraham?
It just seems like another one of those Bible stories where nearly everyone, except Abraham and maybe the angels, are evil.

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It was common back then to make your enemies your slaves. the coin of trade (if any) was likely made of copper or bronze (or clay). and only the elite (and that of priests and other religious orders) really knew how to read and write, but every one knew enough to use symbolisms as advertisements for their trade. papyrus wouldn't have been invented yet. slave men and women would have been whored out, there would have been few laws back then because most didn't know how to read., so yes rape would have been common, esp of the slaves. and there would have been no laws against tormenting or killing your slaves, and most likely just a fine for killing someone others. sex would have been so common that I am sure there were many bully's around that enjoyed humiliating others, so the raping of men by other men would have been more common too. and it would have been common to leave your deifications out in the streets, and they would have bathed perhaps a few times a year, or less. disease would have been common., average life span about 35-45 years. their hand milled flour would have had much grit in it to where their teeth would have been warn down and dental ailments would have been common. so would have lice ticks and fleas. at nights about the only lights that would be seen is in homes and fireplaces, no real street lights except perhaps at the gate and in market squares. olive oils would have been a pricey if not a rare commodity, although its possible they used tars coals tree-resins and other animal fats. back then to help take stains out of cloths they used pee/piss and had slaves stomp the cloths around in it like they would grapes and then after rinse them out with fragrant waters, but for the most part even cloth would have been pricey and most would have worn little to nothing or that of animal hides. they would have had aqueducts and mathematics but not on any grand scale.

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I know. The urine laundries sound gross but they were taking advantage of the ammonia in pee to clean and disinfect the clothing.

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Papyrus had been invented long before but the climate of Israel isn't quite as forgiving to it as Egypt's climate. For whatever reason there are no extant Hebrew scriptures until ~1,000 years after the supposed time of Moses. If only they'd used clay and stone like their neighbors...

The word "sodomy" is not in the Bible . The Bible tells of the unnatural acts that folks in both towns were into.

So in the English speaking world we coined the term "sodomy" as a catch-all for "the kinda stuff they would do in Sodom and Gomarah".

Ah, China, Illinois. Very funny cartoon.

According to this video, a culture of torturous cruelty existed in these Dead Sea cities two of which were Sodom and Gomorrah where strangers were enticed into the cities, kidnapped, then left in cages above the town square to starve to death. Sounds like really wretched places full of sadism and corruption. They must have just been horrible and the people deranged and sick.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzVR5HTcR1I#t=255[/youtube]

Gray is a nut. Lots of nuts "investigate" biblical subjects. He's one of the guys who points to rock formations, claims it is a city, and then does nothing. Same kind of thing as the people who find Noah's ark every three years or so.