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17 Apr 2014, 2:05 am

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/\ Yes, and I saw Kraichgauer and therefor I heard "voter suppression" being parroted over and over.


Well, now that you mentioned my name...
Just how can this not be a species of voter suppression if some, but not all, polling place restrooms are closed? Trying to hold it while standing in line certainly might dissuade many from voting. And why on God's green earth would anyone even justify closing access to the toilet for any other reason?


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17 Apr 2014, 8:28 am

Okay, children, end the nonsense now.

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Miami-Dade County’s Elections Department implemented the restroom denial policy for everyone after advocates for the disabled sought to ensure that all polling place facilities were accessible to people with disabilities.

A Feb. 14, 2014 email from Assistant County Attorney Shanika Graves states that “the [Elections] the Department’s policy is not to permit access to restrooms at polling sites on election days. Restrooms are open to voters during early voting because early voting is held at public facilities. However, public and private facilities are used as polling sites on election days. Private facilities are governed by private landlords, not the County. This policy was implemented to avoid situations where accessible restrooms would be available to some, but not all voters.”


This isn't about voter suppression. It's about not every polling place being 100% handicap accessible (in every way...including bathrooms). Polling locations are often based on what is available. As the article CLEARLY STATES, some are exempt from ADA requirements, and that they don't have handicap-accessible bathrooms (regardless of if the place next door does and would let voters use their facilities), this opens the county to lawsuits (justified or frivolous) from people who want to take issue with this.

Clearly, the smarter move is to move polling places without compliant facilities to nearby locations that DO have them, but that could be a big job that can't be done before the next election.

I've seen these "disability Nazis" cost places money over threats of litigation for NOT providing accommodations for the disabled....even though nobody requested them. Even in Tennessee, a community college began planting the seed for a theater department by hosting a one-act play (all funded by one of the teachers...no school funding), and some jerk called and threatened to sue if they didn't have an ASL interpreter for the deaf available. She paid out of her pocket to hire an interpreter and NOBODY with a hearing impairment showed up for the ONE NIGHT ONLY performance.

Blame an overtly litigious society for this one, not the Democrats or Republicans.



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17 Apr 2014, 9:07 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Okay, children, end the nonsense now.

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Miami-Dade County’s Elections Department implemented the restroom denial policy for everyone after advocates for the disabled sought to ensure that all polling place facilities were accessible to people with disabilities.

A Feb. 14, 2014 email from Assistant County Attorney Shanika Graves states that “the [Elections] the Department’s policy is not to permit access to restrooms at polling sites on election days. Restrooms are open to voters during early voting because early voting is held at public facilities. However, public and private facilities are used as polling sites on election days. Private facilities are governed by private landlords, not the County. This policy was implemented to avoid situations where accessible restrooms would be available to some, but not all voters.”


This isn't about voter suppression. It's about not every polling place being 100% handicap accessible (in every way...including bathrooms). Polling locations are often based on what is available. As the article CLEARLY STATES, some are exempt from ADA requirements, and that they don't have handicap-accessible bathrooms (regardless of if the place next door does and would let voters use their facilities), this opens the county to lawsuits (justified or frivolous) from people who want to take issue with this.

Clearly, the smarter move is to move polling places without compliant facilities to nearby locations that DO have them, but that could be a big job that can't be done before the next election.

I've seen these "disability Nazis" cost places money over threats of litigation for NOT providing accommodations for the disabled....even though nobody requested them. Even in Tennessee, a community college began planting the seed for a theater department by hosting a one-act play (all funded by one of the teachers...no school funding), and some jerk called and threatened to sue if they didn't have an ASL interpreter for the deaf available. She paid out of her pocket to hire an interpreter and NOBODY with a hearing impairment showed up for the ONE NIGHT ONLY performance.

Blame an overtly litigious society for this one, not the Democrats or Republicans.


Hahaha, "disability Nazis." Bonus points for using quotation marks to avoid any fallout for using a repugnant phrase like that.

By the way, when the advocacy group asked for handicap accessible restrooms, they weren't asking for them to be shut down. That was just the Florida election commission's way of telling disabled voters that they're not worth the hassle.



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17 Apr 2014, 9:20 am

That sounds like something they would do in Florida. I am far from impressed with that state. It's just so weird there.



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17 Apr 2014, 9:45 am

It must suck having to queue to vote, I've been pretty lucky, even in London never had to queue very long, or hardly at all to vote. Poling station has nearly always been a nearby church or school and I just walk in. Otherwise you would have to take the whole day off. It is ironic, becuase we are famous for our queues, everything else has a queue.

Anyway if this is a conspiracy, who exactly pays? Surely all political persuasions have to pee. Are you are saying is targeting disabled people, becuase they don't wish disabled people to vote?

Let me understand. They are not allowing people to use facilities off the polling station, once enter as to go to vote? That would make sense. When you go to cast you vote, that activity needs monitoring to prevent voter fraud.

Otherwise it should be up to the building. If it is a state build they would have some policy. If it is another organization, which is lending a room as a polling station, why woudl they have to provide this? Unless they were also covered for it.

I am a disability advocate however, so sure provisions do have to be made, but the appropriate place is outside polling stations not in them, and there should be other option like postal vote.



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17 Apr 2014, 9:57 am

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^^ :lol: I won't be able to cast my "vote"this way,we have tables in an open room.I'm too shy.


Thats bizarre that you live in a district that forces you to vote in plain view. Thats probably illegile.



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17 Apr 2014, 10:03 am

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Misslizard wrote:
^^ :lol: I won't be able to cast my "vote"this way,we have tables in an open room.I'm too shy.


Thats bizarre that you live in a district that forces you to vote in plain view. Thats probably illegile.


You don't need a curtain to put an x in a box. If the 'booth' has sides your body is blocking the view behind you. Just fold the paper, over, and then take it to the ballot box.

If you vote electronically, well I work in IT, that can come a cropper for various reasons.



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17 Apr 2014, 10:24 am

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Misslizard wrote:
^^ :lol: I won't be able to cast my "vote"this way,we have tables in an open room.I'm too shy.


Thats bizarre that you live in a district that forces you to vote in plain view. Thats probably illegile.

Most rural voting here tales place in community buildings.There is no money for machines.We still stuff our paper ballots in a box.If you need to use the restroom there is an outhouse nearby :D Its like elections should be,no lines, and there is a pot of hot coffee,people bring food and then stand around outside visiting.Its only a five minute drive or I could walk if I wanted to.


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17 Apr 2014, 10:33 am

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naturalplastic wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
^^ :lol: I won't be able to cast my "vote"this way,we have tables in an open room.I'm too shy.


Thats bizarre that you live in a district that forces you to vote in plain view. Thats probably illegile.


You don't need a curtain to put an x in a box. If the 'booth' has sides your body is blocking the view behind you. Just fold the paper, over, and then take it to the ballot box.

If you vote electronically, well I work in IT, that can come a cropper for various reasons.


Well- if there are side panels (like an office cubicle) then thats fine. But it sounds like she's talking about open tables were everone stands in plain view with others-like a bingo parlor.



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17 Apr 2014, 10:41 am

It is in plain sight,but it's not crowded so no one has to sit right next to you.I never felt like my privacy was invaded.There are poll workers there to make sure every thing is done proper.
Then the box is loaded up and drove to the court house with the rest of the boxes.


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17 Apr 2014, 11:02 am

Bingham's County Election :D
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17 Apr 2014, 11:19 am

This is only an excerpt from the actual article. As stated, it has nothing whatsoever do do with singling out democrats in a democrat rich district. It's a matter of accessibility and privately owned polling locations. However, I can see the disability nazis (note the callously bold use of repugnant terminology) demanding that only handicapped accessible locations be utilized as polling locations, further limiting the number of available polling locations and no doubt having the effect being labeled as voter suppression. :roll:

Snopes Report:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/restroom.asp

"Emails from a deputy elections supervisor and an assistant county attorney say Miami-Dade voters are banned from using restrooms at polling places. But the chief deputy elections supervisor pooh-poohed the notion.

Number One and Number Two are fine in publicly owned voting sites, such as libraries and city halls,

where bathrooms are open for anyone to use.

The problem might arise when precincts are located in private buildings, which don't have to allow public bathroom access, or in churches and other religious facilities, which are exempt from federal law requiring accessible restrooms for people with disabilities. Elections administrators have long relied on those locations to set up Miami-Dade's more than 500 polling places."


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17 Apr 2014, 12:49 pm

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Raptor wrote:
/\ Yes, and I saw Kraichgauer and therefor I heard "voter suppression" being parroted over and over.


Well, now that you mentioned my name...
Just how can this not be a species of voter suppression if some, but not all, polling place restrooms are closed? Trying to hold it while standing in line certainly might dissuade many from voting. And why on God's green earth would anyone even justify closing access to the toilet for any other reason?

:D As they say around here,"Speak of the Devil and up he pops."


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17 Apr 2014, 12:53 pm

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Anyway if this is a conspiracy, who exactly pays? Surely all political persuasions have to pee. Are you are saying is targeting disabled people, becuase they don't wish disabled people to vote?


The more people that vote, the less likely it is that Republicans will win that election. In a number of red states, they've gone to great lengths to make sure voters who are likely to vote Democratic won't be able to vote for one reason or another.



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17 Apr 2014, 12:57 pm

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This is only an excerpt from the actual article. As stated, it has nothing whatsoever do do with singling out democrats in a democrat rich district. It's a matter of accessibility and privately owned polling locations. However, I can see the disability nazis (note the callously bold use of repugnant terminology)


As an Irony Nazi, I'd like to point out the irony of a person on the Autistic Spectrum rolling his eyes at aid for those with disabilities.



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17 Apr 2014, 1:10 pm

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0_equals_true wrote:

Anyway if this is a conspiracy, who exactly pays? Surely all political persuasions have to pee. Are you are saying is targeting disabled people, becuase they don't wish disabled people to vote?


The more people that vote, the less likely it is that Republicans will win that election. In a number of red states, they've gone to great lengths to make sure voters who are likely to vote Democratic won't be able to vote for one reason or another.


Uh huh, but in this case we're talking about probably the bluest part of a blue state. Another piece of voter suppression case history we've had dug up by our resident voter suppression conspiracy theorist was in Wisconsin, another blue state. I won't even bother to go look up the exact wording but I believe the rationale was that both states are full of Christ-o-fascists or something like that and therefor not really blue states.

Really, do you people actually believe that the republican party is not only inherently racist as a whole, but that there are republicans in high places that would risk prosecution on a widespread scheme of intentionally interfering with voters going to the polls?!


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