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17 Apr 2014, 1:10 pm

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Anyway if this is a conspiracy, who exactly pays? Surely all political persuasions have to pee. Are you are saying is targeting disabled people, becuase they don't wish disabled people to vote?


The more people that vote, the less likely it is that Republicans will win that election. In a number of red states, they've gone to great lengths to make sure voters who are likely to vote Democratic won't be able to vote for one reason or another.


Uh huh, but in this case we're talking about probably the bluest part of a blue state. Another piece of voter suppression case history we've had dug up by our resident voter suppression conspiracy theorist was in Wisconsin, another blue state. I won't even bother to go look up the exact wording but I believe the rationale was that both states are full of Christ-o-fascists or something like that and therefor not really blue states.

Really, do you people actually believe that the republican party is not only inherently racist as a whole, but that there are republicans in high places that would risk prosecution on a widespread scheme of intentionally interfering with voters going to the polls?!


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17 Apr 2014, 1:24 pm

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This is only an excerpt from the actual article. As stated, it has nothing whatsoever do do with singling out democrats in a democrat rich district. It's a matter of accessibility and privately owned polling locations. However, I can see the disability nazis (note the callously bold use of repugnant terminology)


As an Irony Nazi, I'd like to point out the irony of a person on the Autistic Spectrum rolling his eyes at aid for those with disabilities.


Well, the next election I'll be sure to protest the fact that the polls don't have autism friendly restrooms and scream VOTER SUPPRESSION!! :lol: :lmao: :lmao:

I think the example of disability nazi that zer0netgain gave was descriptive enough of what the term is meant to imply. If you want to be disingenuous or just manufacture some offense in hopes of suppressing others from being what you call repugnant, you should know by now it won't work with me.


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17 Apr 2014, 1:51 pm

The outhouse that's available where I vote is nice and quiet,perfect for those on the spectrum.Unless they are afraid of bugs.


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17 Apr 2014, 3:22 pm

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I think the example of disability nazi that zer0netgain gave was descriptive enough of what the term is meant to imply.


For lack of better words, I was describing those jerks who for either poor self-esteem, hunger for power or lack of any real life of their own, go forth and find anything not in compliance with the ADA and raise a massive stink over it...often to get attention, money (some lawyers were doing this when the ADA first came out) or just feel important by bullying someone into kowtowing to their demands for action.

Acting like a Nazi.

Using "disability" as their weapon of choice.



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17 Apr 2014, 3:29 pm

Oh, I understood it completely. I think TheGoggles was just looking for something to be offended over since this thread wasn't going where he wanted it to (i.e. a case actual, albeit rare, voter suppression).


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17 Apr 2014, 8:33 pm

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/\ Yes, and I saw Kraichgauer and therefor I heard "voter suppression" being parroted over and over.


Well, now that you mentioned my name...
Just how can this not be a species of voter suppression if some, but not all, polling place restrooms are closed? Trying to hold it while standing in line certainly might dissuade many from voting. And why on God's green earth would anyone even justify closing access to the toilet for any other reason?

:D As they say around here,"Speak of the Devil and up he pops."


Can't keep a good man down... or a bad one, if you go by Raptor's take on me. :lol:


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20 Apr 2014, 3:44 pm

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Okay, children, end the nonsense now.

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Miami-Dade County’s Elections Department implemented the restroom denial policy for everyone after advocates for the disabled sought to ensure that all polling place facilities were accessible to people with disabilities.

A Feb. 14, 2014 email from Assistant County Attorney Shanika Graves states that “the [Elections] the Department’s policy is not to permit access to restrooms at polling sites on election days. Restrooms are open to voters during early voting because early voting is held at public facilities. However, public and private facilities are used as polling sites on election days. Private facilities are governed by private landlords, not the County. This policy was implemented to avoid situations where accessible restrooms would be available to some, but not all voters.”


This isn't about voter suppression. It's about not every polling place being 100% handicap accessible (in every way...including bathrooms). Polling locations are often based on what is available. As the article CLEARLY STATES, some are exempt from ADA requirements, and that they don't have handicap-accessible bathrooms (regardless of if the place next door does and would let voters use their facilities), this opens the county to lawsuits (justified or frivolous) from people who want to take issue with this.

Clearly, the smarter move is to move polling places without compliant facilities to nearby locations that DO have them, but that could be a big job that can't be done before the next election.

I've seen these "disability Nazis" cost places money over threats of litigation for NOT providing accommodations for the disabled....even though nobody requested them. Even in Tennessee, a community college began planting the seed for a theater department by hosting a one-act play (all funded by one of the teachers...no school funding), and some jerk called and threatened to sue if they didn't have an ASL interpreter for the deaf available. She paid out of her pocket to hire an interpreter and NOBODY with a hearing impairment showed up for the ONE NIGHT ONLY performance.

Blame an overtly litigious society for this one, not the Democrats or Republicans.


The people who are trying to implement this policy do not give two rats tails about people with disabilities. They know they are going to get called out on this, so this, ADA statement is just an example of their level of cunning deception. This is every bit about making voting as inconvenient and uncomfortable as possible, particularly for people who are most likely going to vote for a Democrat. All of these voting changes going on around the country are aimed at people who tend to vote Democrat. Its just so annoying these little word games that are being played.

EVERYONE on earth can clearly see what this is all about. Conservative voters are in the minority, and becoming less relevant with each passing year. Demographics and statistics clearly show this to be true. The only way Conservatives have a chance of competing in future elections is to change the rules of the game that have been in place since this country was formed. They (Conservatives) are learning they have to be very crafty with the structure of wording in how they change the rules, and they are doing it as fast as they possibly can because they know that the next two election cycles are their last stand if they don't completely flip the apple cart upside down with bureaucratic goobeldygob before it happens.



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20 Apr 2014, 4:16 pm

^^^
I guess conservatives figure pulling sh*tty little stunts like this is easier than changing their policies in order to attract new voters.


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20 Apr 2014, 9:04 pm

/\ I think it's already been adequately pointed out that this was not about voter suppression.


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20 Apr 2014, 10:02 pm

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/\ I think it's already been adequately pointed out that this was not about voter suppression.


Then it's about being a bunch of hard hearted cheapskates who don't want to accommodate the handicapped. Neither puts the people making the decision in a particular good light.


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20 Apr 2014, 10:44 pm

Read again:

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This is only an excerpt from the actual article. As stated, it has nothing whatsoever do do with singling out democrats in a democrat rich district. It's a matter of accessibility and privately owned polling locations. However, I can see the disability nazis (note the callously bold use of repugnant terminology) demanding that only handicapped accessible locations be utilized as polling locations, further limiting the number of available polling locations and no doubt having the effect being labeled as voter suppression. :roll:

Snopes Report:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/restroom.asp

"Emails from a deputy elections supervisor and an assistant county attorney say Miami-Dade voters are banned from using restrooms at polling places. But the chief deputy elections supervisor pooh-poohed the notion.

Number One and Number Two are fine in publicly owned voting sites, such as libraries and city halls,

where bathrooms are open for anyone to use.

The problem might arise when precincts are located in private buildings, which don't have to allow public bathroom access, or in churches and other religious facilities, which are exempt from federal law requiring accessible restrooms for people with disabilities. Elections administrators have long relied on those locations to set up Miami-Dade's more than 500 polling places."

I'll spell it out:
If it's a privately owned building and not necessarily designed or intended for public use, as many polling locations are, then it's obviously not about cheap-skates.
If I own a building that the supervisor of elections deems usable as a polling location and offers to rent it from me for a few days, the monkey is not on my back to dig into my pockets and pay to make the shitter handicap accessible.
In this case we're talking about Metro Dade County (a huge densely populated area) with over 500 polling locations. Put 2 and 2 together will ya.... :roll:


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21 Apr 2014, 1:14 am

Raptor wrote:
Read again:
Raptor wrote:
This is only an excerpt from the actual article. As stated, it has nothing whatsoever do do with singling out democrats in a democrat rich district. It's a matter of accessibility and privately owned polling locations. However, I can see the disability nazis (note the callously bold use of repugnant terminology) demanding that only handicapped accessible locations be utilized as polling locations, further limiting the number of available polling locations and no doubt having the effect being labeled as voter suppression. :roll:

Snopes Report:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/restroom.asp

"Emails from a deputy elections supervisor and an assistant county attorney say Miami-Dade voters are banned from using restrooms at polling places. But the chief deputy elections supervisor pooh-poohed the notion.

Number One and Number Two are fine in publicly owned voting sites, such as libraries and city halls,

where bathrooms are open for anyone to use.

The problem might arise when precincts are located in private buildings, which don't have to allow public bathroom access, or in churches and other religious facilities, which are exempt from federal law requiring accessible restrooms for people with disabilities. Elections administrators have long relied on those locations to set up Miami-Dade's more than 500 polling places."

I'll spell it out:
If it's a privately owned building and not necessarily designed or intended for public use, as many polling locations are, then it's obviously not about cheap-skates.
If I own a building that the supervisor of elections deems usable as a polling location and offers to rent it from me for a few days, the monkey is not on my back to dig into my pockets and pay to make the shitter handicap accessible.
In this case we're talking about Metro Dade County (a huge densely populated area) with over 500 polling locations. Put 2 and 2 together will ya.... :roll:


It's still pretty hard to swallow that they're inconveniencing vulnerable voters just to evade a rule for handicap access. And I'm not buying it. As far as I'm concerned, this is still a means of voter intimidation and suppression hidden beneath the pretext of avoiding shelling out cash for equal access to the sh*tter.


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21 Apr 2014, 7:06 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Read again:
Raptor wrote:
This is only an excerpt from the actual article. As stated, it has nothing whatsoever do do with singling out democrats in a democrat rich district. It's a matter of accessibility and privately owned polling locations. However, I can see the disability nazis (note the callously bold use of repugnant terminology) demanding that only handicapped accessible locations be utilized as polling locations, further limiting the number of available polling locations and no doubt having the effect being labeled as voter suppression. :roll:

Snopes Report:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/restroom.asp

"Emails from a deputy elections supervisor and an assistant county attorney say Miami-Dade voters are banned from using restrooms at polling places. But the chief deputy elections supervisor pooh-poohed the notion.

Number One and Number Two are fine in publicly owned voting sites, such as libraries and city halls,

where bathrooms are open for anyone to use.

The problem might arise when precincts are located in private buildings, which don't have to allow public bathroom access, or in churches and other religious facilities, which are exempt from federal law requiring accessible restrooms for people with disabilities. Elections administrators have long relied on those locations to set up Miami-Dade's more than 500 polling places."

I'll spell it out:
If it's a privately owned building and not necessarily designed or intended for public use, as many polling locations are, then it's obviously not about cheap-skates.
If I own a building that the supervisor of elections deems usable as a polling location and offers to rent it from me for a few days, the monkey is not on my back to dig into my pockets and pay to make the shitter handicap accessible.
In this case we're talking about Metro Dade County (a huge densely populated area) with over 500 polling locations. Put 2 and 2 together will ya.... :roll:


It's still pretty hard to swallow that they're inconveniencing vulnerable voters just to evade a rule for handicap access. And I'm not buying it. As far as I'm concerned, this is still a means of voter intimidation and suppression hidden beneath the pretext of avoiding shelling out cash for equal access to the sh*tter.


Again, a lot of those buildings are not government owned and are only rented for elections. On top of all we're talking about a very progressive (i.e. liberal democrat) area so I don't think for a skinny minute that the citizens would tolerate "voter suppression". At this point I thnk you're just trying extra hard to be obtuse.


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21 Apr 2014, 10:56 am

^^^
Conservatives can't live in liberal areas? I tend to think business people who rent out such properties would tend to be more conservative than most others in said area.


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21 Apr 2014, 11:15 am

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Conservatives can't live in liberal areas? I tend to think business people who rent out such properties would tend to be more conservative than most others in said area.


So what are you saying?
1. They should only rent from liberal owners?
2. They are only renting from conservative co-conspirators :roll: that have secretly agreed to lock the restrooms just to "suppress" the voters in that district?

Get a grip.


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^^^
Conservatives can't live in liberal areas? I tend to think business people who rent out such properties would tend to be more conservative than most others in said area.


So what are you saying?
1. They should only rent from liberal owners?
2. They are only renting from conservative co-conspirators :roll: that have secretly agreed to lock the restrooms just to "suppress" the voters in that district?

Get a grip.


No, I'm saying the damn bathrooms shouldn't be locked.


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