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17 Apr 2014, 11:53 am

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The leaflet then described which documents Jews should provide: "ID and passport are required to register your Jewish religion, religious documents of family members, as well as documents establishing the rights to all real estate property that belongs to you, including vehicles."

Consequences for non-compliance will result in citizenship bein g revoked "and you will be forced outside the country with a confiscation of property." A registration fee of $50 would be required, it said.


I find this scary.


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17 Apr 2014, 11:57 am

8O 8O 8O Holy s**t,that is frightening.


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17 Apr 2014, 12:03 pm

Babies thrown out of incubators...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

It's a mistake to believe sensationalist stories like this in the middle of a cold-war stand off. People should verify things like this before they comment on them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/controllin ... ia/5373364

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The aims of information warfare are to use discourse to influence populations across the world and to establish a total monopoly on the flow of information, the perceptions of audiences, and the discursive processes shaping the modern world. At its basis power and relationships are being realized through mass media communication.

The messages and ideas that the mass media transmit through mass communication are constructed by those that control the media and, in succession, used by them to construct the perceptions of audiences. Since what the majority of people in most modern societies know is heavily shaped by the mass media, the mass media is used to lead audiences into forming certain opinions and to make their decisions on the bases of those opinions. This is done either subtly or overtly through the delivery of repetitive messages.



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17 Apr 2014, 12:08 pm

And the russian propagnada dare to throw accusation of neo-nazism to the new Kiev govnerment. :roll:



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17 Apr 2014, 12:11 pm

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Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.


If they've been ordered to provide a list their personal propery then it stands to reason that the intent is to sooner or later start confiscating that property. That in addition to the fact that they want to register all Jews should set off alarms for everyone, especially Ukrainian Jews.

Just from this, I'd say their best course of action would be;
1) Form Jewish militias with the purpose and intent of fighting back (reference the Warsaw ghetto and Sobibor uprisings of 1943)
2) Gather their shi+ while they still can and the f**k out of Ukraine.


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17 Apr 2014, 12:17 pm

This is an eerie portent; pretty much how things started in Nazi Germany. What's next? Maybe painting the star of David on their door, shortly followed by the arrival of cattle rail-cars. :(


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17 Apr 2014, 2:04 pm

The Ukranians have no idea what they've just done.

I'm about as non-practicing, anti-zionist, and non-militant a Jew as you could hope to find, but this makes my blood boil.
I'm angry about this, in a way I never thought I'd be in regards to my ethnic identity.
Angry to my core, down in my gut.
I'd gladly go to the Ukraine and fight to defend my people from this prelude to atrocity, and I'm normally almost completely non-violent & unwilling to fight.

Can you even imagine how the rest of my people, many of who are much, much more invested in being Jews than I am must be feeling?

For 70 years we've shouted "Never Again!"
Trust me when I say that the Ukranians are about to find out that we meant it if they don't back down.



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17 Apr 2014, 2:08 pm

How long before the mentally ill have to register,or are turned out of treatment facilities.
They start with the Jews,then anyone else who is different is next


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17 Apr 2014, 2:08 pm

Bodyles wrote:
The Ukranians have no idea what they've just done.

I'm about as non-practicing, anti-zionist, and non-militant a Jew as you could hope to find, but this makes my blood boil.
I'm angry about this, in a way I never thought I'd be in regards to my ethnic identity.
Angry to my core, down in my gut.
I'd gladly go to the Ukraine and fight to defend my people from this prelude to atrocity, and I'm normally almost completely non-violent & unwilling to fight.

Can you even imagine how the rest of my people, many of who are much, much more invested in being Jews than I am must be feeling?

For 70 years we've shouted "Never Again!"
Trust me when I say that the Ukranians are about to find out that we meant it if they don't back down.


Calm down, you don't know if it's true, yet :wink: . Seriously :) .

The people in this thread put far too much faith in the msm. Stop being idiots, please.



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17 Apr 2014, 2:17 pm

It is a hoax...



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17 Apr 2014, 2:20 pm

Stannis wrote:
Bodyles wrote:
The Ukranians have no idea what they've just done.

I'm about as non-practicing, anti-zionist, and non-militant a Jew as you could hope to find, but this makes my blood boil.
I'm angry about this, in a way I never thought I'd be in regards to my ethnic identity.
Angry to my core, down in my gut.
I'd gladly go to the Ukraine and fight to defend my people from this prelude to atrocity, and I'm normally almost completely non-violent & unwilling to fight.

Can you even imagine how the rest of my people, many of who are much, much more invested in being Jews than I am must be feeling?

For 70 years we've shouted "Never Again!"
Trust me when I say that the Ukranians are about to find out that we meant it if they don't back down.


Calm down, you don't know if it's true, yet :wink: . Seriously.

The people in this thread put far too much faith in the msm. Stop being idiots, please.


I'm sorry, but being part of a historically oppressed and scapegoated minority who were slaughtered enmasse not too long ago makes us all understandably freaked out about things like this.
Maybe that's hard for someone without that burden of history to understand. *shrug*



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17 Apr 2014, 2:42 pm

Bodyles wrote:
Stannis wrote:
Bodyles wrote:
The Ukranians have no idea what they've just done.

I'm about as non-practicing, anti-zionist, and non-militant a Jew as you could hope to find, but this makes my blood boil.
I'm angry about this, in a way I never thought I'd be in regards to my ethnic identity.
Angry to my core, down in my gut.
I'd gladly go to the Ukraine and fight to defend my people from this prelude to atrocity, and I'm normally almost completely non-violent & unwilling to fight.

Can you even imagine how the rest of my people, many of who are much, much more invested in being Jews than I am must be feeling?

For 70 years we've shouted "Never Again!"
Trust me when I say that the Ukranians are about to find out that we meant it if they don't back down.


Calm down, you don't know if it's true, yet :wink: . Seriously.

The people in this thread put far too much faith in the msm. Stop being idiots, please.


I'm sorry, but being part of a historically oppressed and scapegoated minority who were slaughtered enmasse not too long ago makes us all understandably freaked out about things like this.


This makes you particularly susceptible to certain kinds of propaganda:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked
and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country.
" -Hermann Goring.

My great grandparents were gypsies by the way :) .



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17 Apr 2014, 2:48 pm

The story that papers demanding the registration of Jewish people were handed out bearing the signature of the person in charge of the temporary government. However the temporary government leaders have denied all involvement, saying the flyers are forged. It looks to be extremist/provocative behavior by unknown private group(s).


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17 Apr 2014, 2:50 pm

“First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.”


― Martin Niemöller


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17 Apr 2014, 2:52 pm

There is a propaganda war going on right now, no reason to believe anything like this. The Kiev government and their western allies pretty much have to make up lies like this when considering the fact nobody in eastern Ukraine supports or recognizes this coup as legitimate, otherwise it just looks like Ukraine is killing its own people. A lot of "Russian Special Forces" we've been hearing about engaging with Ukrainian troops and taking over buildings are middle aged, fat, and with unmatching uniforms if you actually watch the videos. I don't believe there is a significant presence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine. There are more than enough civilian volunteers, the remnants of the Berkut, and defectors from military. The Ukrainian troops would be doing a lot worse if they were going up against real Russian soldiers.



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17 Apr 2014, 3:01 pm

Misslizard wrote:
“First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.”


― Martin Niemöller


They didn't come for the communists, or anyone else, and I spoke out-
because I didn't fact check...


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