Why God can't be real

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No, the bad happens as a consequence of the evil that mankind perpetuates in the world. Cause and effect.

If mankind chooses to do evil, doesn't mankind deserve punishment?

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I am talking about what it says in the Bible not necessarily reality haha.

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Yes, but the Biblical accounts detail God's role in reality. Cause-and-effect is part of God's design. It was God, after all, who gave mankind the choice to do evil over good. Something I always found interesting was that God doesn't qualify eating from the tree of death as being necessarily evil, only that man avoid it if he intends to live. God gave us the world to care for and left the decision as to its ultimate fate in our hands. God only allowed for the possibility of evil…we're the ones who pushed the proverbial button. All that we know stems from the consequence of that decision. We could reverse much of that if we wanted to.

They didn't eat from the tree of death. They ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And by doing so Yahweh was afraid that they were now smart enough to eat from the tree of life and so live forever. He kicks them out before they can do so. Men who are prevented from eating special food and becoming like gods is a theme in ancient near eastern mythology.

Lemme ask you if you HONESTLY believe if every single person like, lets say, in the US repents and strictly obeys God's Laws all suffering and hardship will suddenly cease? No more disease, violence, or natural disasters. An end to poverty and starvation. You know, I think many people have repented and found it got them nowhere so they just gave up. In fact it is in the Bible, God laughed while Satan mercilessly tormented that poor Job and he followed God's Laws.

No. But I think it would certainly help.

Jesus taught us to help our fellow human beings, including but certainly not limited to those who were sick, poor, and starving.

Again, cause and effect. If everyone believed in helping each other out, you'd automatically end all war since there'd be no reason for war. Famine? I don't recall that there has ever been a complete global famine…those who have would willingly give to those who don't or at the very least give them asylum. Disease? Charitable organizations are always working to get vaccines to those to whom they'd otherwise be unavailable. If you got every single person on the planet on board with that line of thinking, every disease for which there is presently a prevention or a cure would be virtually wiped out, and those for which there aren't we'd work even harder than we already do to find better treatments, etc.

No matter what, we can't escape the fact we live within a fallen creation, so there'll never be an end to the negatives. By doing what God wants us to do, we do succeed in making things easier for ourselves and for each other.


Where does the Bible say God laughed about it?

Maybe the issue is not whether or not God is real but rather defining what God is, or means. I don't see God as what is described in Biblical terms but I recognize that the Bible is written, translated and defined by human beings, which means there is a level of human ego involved in the process. To me, it is the human ego that defines God as having an image, thus creating human beings in His image. I do not believe God has an image. I think human beings have it all twisted around. I think God is merely Love and that there is no image involved. That the physical form of human beings is a result of the evolutionary process and that the human body is the implement for which love to manifest itself in life. Ego, which has no form or image, but has the need to define and individualize itself in order to be recognized. Physically, human beings are more than 99% completely identical, but ego focuses, of course, on the less than 1% of our physical composition in order to facilitate existence as a separate identity.

Anyway, that is my unsubstantiated theory of existence, unqualified as I may be.

Im pretty sure he does not exist let alone any other god these are primitive man made concepts used to explain the unexpainable and undiscovered and a ploy to brainwash people to dictate their behavior and how people should treat people.

If they're primitive, man-made concepts, why do they continue to exist in the present, more "sophisticated" times?

I can't answer for all religions, of course. But if that is true, what is so bad about being concerned for people who are less fortunate? What's wrong with, say, charitable giving? Or most any kind of generosity? What is wrong with healing sick people?

What about establishing a fair and equitable system of justice and law enforcement? Lex talionis, y'know, what our justice system is built on, goes back to the Old Testament. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with forgiving people who have wronged you? That's just plain good for emotional health, anyway…you can get rid of a lot of anxiety just by letting certain things go and washing your hands of it (metaphorically speaking)…not to mention a powerful way to build social and working relationships.

What's wrong with being nice to people?

Because we are still cavemen! If you look at separate demographics of intelligent, well-off, educated people you will find that most of these people couldn't care less about religion.

Oh, and you can do all that without being religious? Most of the biggest c***s I know go to church on Sunday.

That Scientology exists doesn't make it true. Same for the others. Hopefully we are finally putting this stuff away.



Charity and medical science are to be applauded.



That concept long predates the so-called laws of Moses. There are 4-5 codes that are earlier that I know of. The Israelites were late arrivals on the ancient scene and we don't really follow it literally anyway. Sharia comes closer.



At times that is useful but the concept predates Christianity. And not all of Jesus' words were kind. Some were strange. His encounter with the Canaanite woman sounds downright racist.



Last time I checked Christianity had a few more tenets and many Christians seem to prefer the Old Testament anyway. The bronze age and early iron age is more their style.

Do you think a lot of these religious organizations that do things like feeding all these poor children in overseas countries would be doing what they do if they were forbidden by law to use those opportunities to proselytize? And do you never question why they do these charitable acts on such a large scale in foreign lands while the same problems exist in their home country at unacceptable levels? It is because they are doing it because it is making them personally rich, not because their motivations are purely based on love from their religious beliefs. If they used all the money they made from donations to help people in their own lands they would not be able to profit at so high a level.

I personally know people doing this in countries in which such activities are illegal.


Unacceptable as compared with what?


Do you personally know many people who have become wealthy doing mission work?

What is wrong with compensating anyone fairly for the work that they do? Is it better to cut off support to someone with the ability and willingness to help others? Or is it better to support that person in order to allow him to continue helping other people?

That just goes to show that religion isn't for everyone. Would a merciful God force himself on those who don't believe they need him?


That's not a very nice thing to say. How does saying that make you any better than those people?