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09 Aug 2014, 2:24 pm

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I've asked you that hurtloam because often people say that "people change" but I've always noticed it's not the case especially when it comes to this matter, people who were shallow in their 18s are still shallow to this day, and the ones who weren't still aren't.


That explains why I've seen some profiles of women in their late 20's on OKCupid specifically saying "no nerds" in the "message me" section, they're just as shallow, snobbish and immature as they were as teenagers. I avoid such profiles like the plague, even if the matching algorithm makes me a good match with them.



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09 Aug 2014, 10:59 pm

i don't think its a case of wanting to reproduce with a guy cause he has a nice car, but more of if its between two identical guys and one has a nice car, great paying job, and sweet house, and the other has a old car, min wage job and rents a appartment. pleanty of women will chose the first guy do to society saying its the better choice. that a guy who say walks everwhere he goes and loves his min wage job and appartment is not worthy anything.

similar to how I am ok not having any talents or gifts, but women take great offensive to it and say they won't date a guy who isn't talented in something. not everyone can be a painter, musician, sports player, or actor/actress. there are a great number of people who are n't talented at anything. they are just good or average at many things. I fail to see a problem. I would be find dating a girl who has hobbies but has no talents. if she enjoys making crappy pottery then so bee it if she makes fantastic pottery then so be it to.

not so easy to throw off the voices of many women and people who say I am worthless. even if I found my life and goals to be acceptable. another example is those who travel all the time. I am quite happy living here for the rest of my life without seeing the rest of the world.

aside from my desire to be alone which would and does cause alot of my depression. I wonder if I would not be happier if I was the sole human in existence. no other people to tell me I'm worthless. perhaps it makes them feel better about their life to say others who didn't do what they did or want what they want are failures and worthless. there by making it seem like they are more worthy and a success.

this system often happens in other areas. people who bought object A will say object B is s**t in order to make them feel better about their purchase.



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09 Aug 2014, 11:40 pm

But there aren't two identical guys. And what you're saying about min wage guys, carless guys, etc. simply isn't true. Many women here have actually shown up to tell you yes, we dated poor guys, guys without cars, etc., because that wasn't the important bit.

And I think it's the unusual woman who's seriously looking for someone who's talented. Talent is a major pain in the ass. Talented people who're using what they've got are generally unbelievably selfcentered and busy with their work.

Depression, otoh, really does push people away. People do want to be with someone who's generally positive and gives them a lift to be around, not someone who needs constant reassurance and bucking-up, and who can be counted on to see the gloomy spot every time. It's rough on the spirit, being around someone who's persistently down, negative, irritable. One of the reasons actually I seldom talk to my exbf anymore...it's so exhausting, and he's so wrapped up in feeling bad, and it's been that way for at least a year. You forget how to smile, being around someone like that all the time.

If you're persistently depressed, I'd really recommend going for therapy and treatment.



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10 Aug 2014, 3:34 am

not true, you can find two guys who are handsome, kind, funny and sweet and vary similar. this is cause there are billions of people odds are you will have people who can be very similar. lot of the guys at my walmart look very similar. you guys also said you wouldn't do it again and look for guys that have those things so you wouldn't have to support a guy again no?

its like saying that i dated a abusive guy in the past so its proof abusive guys can get gf's but I wont date a abusive guy again. not very hopeful knowledge. I have no doubt that social exvorts and good liars who are also poor and homeless can get women. my uncle is one and a as*hole and he gets women. but for those who aren't good liars or extroverts it is near impossible.

not really. I know a few talented people and they are not self centered. my friend is talent at shooting and science, not self centered. my sister is talented at music and knitting clothes. she is very out to help the kids at her church. I don't mean people who are the famous or super talented. a person who can play the guitar is talented. as is a person who craft stuff out of wood. something I can do but is challenging to me. I haven't done it in years.


i find people who are always cheerful and happy annoying. people can be dying around them and they be smiling and laughing like WTF. I prefer middle ground people like me. though I haven't been as balanced as i once was, this does not mean that I do not get happy or can't be hopeful in a bad situation.

yeah so they can tell me to go get sunshine that fix you up. or maybe finding friends and a lover will. when was I most happy. when I had tons of friends to hang out with. I have none of that and am alone almost 24/7 as therapist can't make me friends and don't get why am was and am sad they are quite useless and only a threat to my remaining happiness. if i go to one I would lose my hobbies which are all that is left to bring me happiness aside from some shows/movies that break through the required lack of smiling. nope companionship is what I need. I wasn't designed to be alone. while i can't handle parties I do need daily postie human contact. the last month didn't give that from work as the one guy was mean to me just about every day.

if I could just go back to highschool. you would think I would be sad then being bullied and disliked. but at least I had like 10 steady friends I hung out with every day.

back on topic despite what the 5 women here say, the reality is the majority of single dating women demand those things. and they find any guy lacking just one of them to be worthless in their eyes. so unless one of you is wanting to date me, i must deal with the reality of the world I live in. until I meet those demands I will be considered worthless and passed on for guys who have them . though the women remain single cause the guys apparently lack their other requirements of personality traits. :roll: and thus they continue their search for that elusive perfect man. or as they call them now "real man" apparently I am neither man or woman now lol

just learning to accept this is how life is meant to be. life is sh***y and sad then we die. for the few who are able to find love and success ie happiness I envy them.

to sum up it is true and it isn't
it isn't true to you and some of the others here, but it is true to a bit of women out in the world. just as there are guys who only date women based on if they look good in a bikini, but also guys who date women based on their personality.

I have not meet any like you women on here in my area. except for married women, which is useless to me. perhaps they are all arleady in relationships?
either way it leaves me with the women that take job, car, home, looks, as very serious and more important then personality, it is also important, but deciding factors are 1.job, car, looks if pass move to does he have a good personality if pass then date.
then theres the boat load of the "wanting a cowboy" or "wanting a country boy" I lack a truck , horses, and tattoos they want. though half of them want the guy to have truck, job, home, and have his whole life planned out.

and yet I don't hate women, I find their blind obedience to what society says is important annoying is all. and its depressing to read profile after profile of this s**t. they have similar interests to me, sound like good personality especially the playful ones. then get to the bottom where it lis the must have for the guy. :roll: it only get's worse the older they get, the more being a provider or matching thier level of income becomes important. why aren't they are match.com or eharmony. or another paid site. it would seem those would more suit them as the guys would have to be wealthy enough to pay the high prices of membership. if i had a good job I'd be there. aside from eharmony which told me there is no possible match for me :D

well off to read today's cl adds likely to depress me but who knows maybe todays the day one of the rare women who don't care about items and money will post. its why I go thru the daily depression of reading ads and profiles for hope of finding one.



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10 Aug 2014, 4:04 am

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not true, you can find two guys who are handsome, kind, funny and sweet and vary similar. this is cause there are billions of people odds are you will have people who can be very similar. lot of the guys at my walmart look very similar..


Yeah, they look similar, but they are individuals with their own personalities. I may find one easier to get along with than the other. I've never in my life met two men who are exactly the same, nor two exactly similar women.

If the flicking through pages of would like to meet ads is getting you down I would advise avoiding it for a while and focus on something that makes you happy instead. Take a vacation from looking for love, if only for your own sanity. You can go back to looking later when you are feeling a bit better in yourself.

Look after yourself.



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10 Aug 2014, 8:52 am

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And I think it's the unusual woman who's seriously looking for someone who's talented. Talent is a major pain in the ass. Talented people who're using what they've got are generally unbelievably selfcentered and busy with their work.


Well that would count me out then. Anyone who ends up with me would have to understand that physics is part of my life, if I get through my doctorate, that is.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:20 pm

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not true, you can find two guys who are handsome, kind, funny and sweet and vary similar. this is cause there are billions of people odds are you will have people who can be very similar. lot of the guys at my walmart look very similar..


Yeah, they look similar, but they are individuals with their own personalities. I may find one easier to get along with than the other. I've never in my life met two men who are exactly the same, nor two exactly similar women.

If the flicking through pages of would like to meet ads is getting you down I would advise avoiding it for a while and focus on something that makes you happy instead. Take a vacation from looking for love, if only for your own sanity. You can go back to looking later when you are feeling a bit better in yourself.

Look after yourself.


i've meet guys who have a very similar personality to me. shy, funny, sweet, etc. the point I was trying to make is if the two were hypothetical identical then the choice would come down to their possessions. there are women who will choose the guy with the stuff over the guy with better personality, then few weeks later end up leaving the guy. is it all women no, but they are out there. if one bases their decision off who will be a better financial match(seems to be important, i don't remember the list in dating ads 10 years ago. perhaps its a response to the recession?) then it is logical to pick the guy with a job, car, home who is unlikely to mooch of them(seen pleanty of guys with money who still mooch) i don't know if there are single women left that will date a hobo, but if there is they aren't on dating sites. not that I am a real hobo, but i guess they see me as one and a mooch :(

I don't do it as much, I have ran out of women to look at or possible message on okc or pof. AS I hid all the thin/attractive ones, ones who have kids, and ones who list the job/car/home or have life together, have ambition. well not all if i hid all the thin/attractive ones there wouldn't be but 3 left. I check cl cause sometimes a nice woman pops up and in the past I didn't notice until 2weeks to a month later and it was too late. even still of the ones who don't care which is few. i then have 8/10 odds she won't match up with me. I am doing voc rehab to find a job. so aside from that I have nothing to do but sit in my room all the time. I get loney at night and go look. already sad at that point.

having/making friends becomes unimportant to most nts after age 18. they are so busy with work they never hang out with people. I suppose if I had a full time job I woldnt either, though I still need it so I would make time, but with who :(
also I have aspie and adhd, so i obesse over stuff and have low patience(despite what women on okc have said o.O) so when its not occupied by videogames/youtube/tv it I go to feeling lonely and depressed. well on minecraft i feel lonely too as no one will play with me or build near me. even on a game people don't like me.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:21 pm

i hope i don't get compared to the shooter, my rant is with society not really women. i have seen pleanty of guys who follow society too and it also applies to friendships. people don't hang with poor friends.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:24 pm

Jono wrote:
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And I think it's the unusual woman who's seriously looking for someone who's talented. Talent is a major pain in the ass. Talented people who're using what they've got are generally unbelievably selfcentered and busy with their work.


Well that would count me out then. Anyone who ends up with me would have to understand that physics is part of my life, if I get through my doctorate, that is.


Tarantella is being silly in this post tbh, talent is a very desired trait.



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10 Aug 2014, 1:42 pm

Perhaps some of you are confusing talent with competence. I don't know any women who would choose someone incompetent over someone who was competent (although, who knows? - there might be some women who would appreciate incompetence. It really does take all kinds.). Talent is usually innate - such as artistic talent or exceptional mathematical talent - either you've got it or you don't. Competence is learned, and it is an attractive trait in either men or women. Talent often goes along with a tempestuous temperament, and no, that's not something I find attractive at all.



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10 Aug 2014, 2:01 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Jono wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
And I think it's the unusual woman who's seriously looking for someone who's talented. Talent is a major pain in the ass. Talented people who're using what they've got are generally unbelievably selfcentered and busy with their work.


Well that would count me out then. Anyone who ends up with me would have to understand that physics is part of my life, if I get through my doctorate, that is.


Tarantella is being silly in this post tbh, talent is a very desired trait.


Only if you don't know what it is. You don't get the guy or girl to yourself, the talent and its demands are always in the bed with you and making you sit backseat in the car. And you don't argue, because if the person has a serious talent, who are you to stand in the way? But it's not fun, no.



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10 Aug 2014, 2:11 pm

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Jono wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
And I think it's the unusual woman who's seriously looking for someone who's talented. Talent is a major pain in the ass. Talented people who're using what they've got are generally unbelievably selfcentered and busy with their work.


Well that would count me out then. Anyone who ends up with me would have to understand that physics is part of my life, if I get through my doctorate, that is.


Tarantella is being silly in this post tbh, talent is a very desired trait.


Only if you don't know what it is. You don't get the guy or girl to yourself, the talent and its demands are always in the bed with you and making you sit backseat in the car. And you don't argue, because if the person has a serious talent, who are you to stand in the way? But it's not fun, no.


To be honest, I always had the impression that you are pretentious like this.

But seriously, I knew plenty people who are talented and humble.



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10 Aug 2014, 2:14 pm

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Perhaps some of you are confusing talent with competence. I don't know any women who would choose someone incompetent over someone who was competent (although, who knows? - there might be some women who would appreciate incompetence. It really does take all kinds.). Talent is usually innate - such as artistic talent or exceptional mathematical talent - either you've got it or you don't. Competence is learned, and it is an attractive trait in either men or women. Talent often goes along with a tempestuous temperament, and no, that's not something I find attractive at all.


No no Eureka, we are not ret*ds in English, we know very well the difference between Talent and competence.

And you're being quite stereotypical here.



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10 Aug 2014, 5:10 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Jono wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
And I think it's the unusual woman who's seriously looking for someone who's talented. Talent is a major pain in the ass. Talented people who're using what they've got are generally unbelievably selfcentered and busy with their work.


Well that would count me out then. Anyone who ends up with me would have to understand that physics is part of my life, if I get through my doctorate, that is.


Tarantella is being silly in this post tbh, talent is a very desired trait.


Only if you don't know what it is. You don't get the guy or girl to yourself, the talent and its demands are always in the bed with you and making you sit backseat in the car. And you don't argue, because if the person has a serious talent, who are you to stand in the way? But it's not fun, no.


To be honest, I always had the impression that you are pretentious like this.

But seriously, I knew plenty people who are talented and humble.


Come back and talk after you've been in a relationship with someone who has a significant talent and works it.



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10 Aug 2014, 5:26 pm

Such a shooter is an example of someone with extreme resentment but limited intelligence, and deductive capacity when it comes to their situation.

9/10 your situation is not someone else's fault.



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10 Aug 2014, 5:30 pm

There are plenty of people who are talented in some way or another, and who have good relationships. It's not so much the talent which can be the problem, surely, so much as the drivenness or narrow pursuit of a given aim to the exclusion of everything, and everyone, else.