Autism is a "mental" disorder??

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02 Aug 2014, 10:00 pm

Adamantium wrote:

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Adamantium wrote:

Mental is not a pejorative term.

Mental is a perfectly good word.

Uhh.... Yeah, it actually is a pejorative term. I can't agree that it's a good word. For the vast, vast, vast majority, when you say to them "Mental", they hear that as "Crazy", even if you put something on the end of it. Very easy for someone who doesn't know better to think it's mental illness. Even if it means something entirely different professionally, I don't think it's possible to clearly define AS while using the word "Mental" because people are already using that word for something else.

No, it isn't a pejorative term.

It may be in your experience. But it is not in mine.

Nor is a positive connotation limited to a tiny professional or technical class.

Mental power. Mental prowess. Mental strength. Mental agility. Mental Flexibility.

Google search results
Mental illness about 2.2 * 10^6 results
Mental Flexibilty about 3.0 * 10^6 results
Mental strength about 1.8 * 10^6 results
You can check for yourself.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mental

There is no reason to try to enforce the impoverishment of a language because a few ignorant people misuse it.

Mental is a vague word that means "of [or relating to disorders of] the mind.

It is vague because the best neuroscientists in the world have not yet adequately defined "mind", but it is generally accepted that it is not a separate entity (as in "mind, body, soul"). The best definition of mind I have heard so far is the cognitive processes that combine attention, awareness, and the internal "voice". Awareness and attention need to be carefully defined in this description.

"Mental" is not directly pejorative, but people can use any word insultingly and Moromillas provided some good examples.

I argue with the OP (and anyone else), not about mental vs developmental, but with

disorder vs difference
and the
LFA/HFA dichotomy.

These terms would be insulting if not used so naively, but they have been over-discussed on WP already. Anna_K seems a bit out of the loop. I hope she keeps learning about the politics of autism.

Anna_K wrote:

I was looking up a word in a dictionary, and I saw the definition for autism. I read it, and it defines it as a "mental" disorder. Why is that?? Its true that there are lower functioning autistics, but there are also higher functioning autistics, who are not or don't seem like they have a "mental" disorder....

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15 Aug 2014, 1:01 pm

neobluex wrote:

There is not real distinction between psychologic, psychiatric and neurologic. All are caused bychanges in the brain. The classification is analytical and arbitrary.

actually, there are. neurology is about the brain's structural/chemical makeup and functioning. psychology is about the consciousness' makeup and functioning. psychiatry is the medical speciality dealing with psychological issues.

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26 Aug 2014, 11:33 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

HarmonySeptember wrote:

I am more concerned about the word "disorder" then "mental", yet the word "disorder" is put right into some of the diagnostic names.

Definition of DISORDER
1
: to disturb the order of
2
: to disturb the regular or normal functions of

So let me get this straight you don't think autism disturbs normal functions?

The above comment gives the definition of the VERB disorder. In this case, we need to look at the definition of the NOUN disorder.

The definition of the noun 'disorder' as it relates to medicine and psychiatry is: "A derangement or abnormality of function; a morbid physical or mental state.

One may draw ones own conclusions

Source: http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

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26 Aug 2014, 11:48 pm

Hi_Im_B0B wrote:

neobluex wrote:

There is not real distinction between psychologic, psychiatric and neurologic. All are caused bychanges in the brain. The classification is analytical and arbitrary.

This is my understanding of how those fields relate:

Psychology is: Stuff people made up to explain and describe behaviors they observed.

Neurology is: The science of the brain's structure, which attempts to answer the apparently unanswerable question of how the mind actually works in the first place.

Psychiatry is: A bridge between the two. Psychiatry takes the observations and theories of neurology and combines them with current psychological understanding to reverse-engineer a link between neurology and psychology.

One may draw ones own conclusions.

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27 Aug 2014, 8:05 am

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So let me get this straight you don't think autism disturbs normal functions?

I do as often as possible (and keep a job) - but I function competently in my own world. Autism is a "disorder" to NTs

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27 Aug 2014, 2:04 pm

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

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27 Aug 2014, 8:13 pm

League_Girl wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

Mental yes, disorder no because its situational.

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28 Aug 2014, 4:05 am

League_Girl wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
AS is in your head.
Therefore the AS is a mental disorder.

Sorry, it doesn't add up, look:

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Neurotypical is in your head.
Therefore neurotypical is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
A passing thought is in your head.
Therefore a passing thought is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Basic arithmetic is done in your head.
Therefore basic arithmetic is a mental disorder.

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.
Your memories are in your head.
Therefore your memories are a mental disorder.

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28 Aug 2014, 7:17 am

Moromillas wrote:

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.

League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...

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28 Aug 2014, 7:22 am

Moromillas wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

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Perhaps everything in your head is a disorder (particularly the redundancy that you think wins arguments), but not in mine.

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28 Aug 2014, 8:55 am

neobluex wrote:

Moromillas wrote:

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.

League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...

No no, here it is here: It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

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28 Aug 2014, 9:10 am

Awiddershinlife wrote:

Moromillas wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

Perhaps everything in your head is a disorder (particularly the redundancy that you think wins arguments), but not in mine.[/quote]

Oh, my sincerest apologies. I wasn't aware that pointing out fallacy and providing examples as to why it's a fallacy would cause the vapors.

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28 Aug 2014, 3:15 pm

Moromillas wrote:

neobluex wrote:

Moromillas wrote:

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.

League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...

No no, here it is here: It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

Correct argument:

AS is a disorder (implicit);
If anything is in your head, it is mental;
AS is in your head;
Therefore the AS is a mental disorder.

Without the implicit premise:

If anything is in your head, it is mental;
AS is in your head;
Therefore the AS is mental.

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28 Aug 2014, 9:22 pm

neobluex wrote:

Moromillas wrote:

neobluex wrote:

Moromillas wrote:

If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder.

League_Girl hasn't stated that.

League_Girl wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental...

No no, here it is here: It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

Hmm, it's still fallacy though, they're both still invalid. It's even worse now as what's tacked on beforehand is begging the question, and also the conclusion doesn't fit the consequent at all.

In the original argument, it goes from "mental" to "mental disorder" via a string on non-sequiturs. "Mental" would be a "mental condition" so is a "mental disorder". So the premise would be "If anything is in your head, it is a mental disorder".

I don't know where you're going with the second one.

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28 Aug 2014, 10:18 pm

Moromillas wrote:

Strictly, the conclusion is "AS is a disorder and is mental", which is, pragmatically, a quite odd tense (hence the correction).

With that detail, both arguments are valid. And so yours. But your initial argument is not logically derived from League_Girl's statement.

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29 Aug 2014, 12:08 am

Moromillas wrote:

League_Girl wrote:

It's in your head and anything in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

Oh excuse me,

It's in your head and anything from the DSM that is in your head is mental so of course this would be a mental condition so mental disorder.

Better?

See if you can twist that.

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