Autism marginalized in charity event for Autism

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Not the way I read that thread.

You talk about all the participants of the thread as if the most objectionable things said by one of them represented them all. You don't in anyway engage them on the issues that they raise, but instead lecture them about your positions, which they don't understand.

I don't think your assessment of what happened is accurate and I think you are alienating people you might have educated.

But I could be wrong. Maybe I am not reading it correctly.

Yeah, you might be, or I might be horribly wrong. Engaging them on each issue they raise, is pretty much what I do, or intended to do?

No, I don't think what one said represented all of them, that would be ridiculous. But you need to understand the authority and positions as role models these people have, that they're not just a bunch of random people, and the propensity for others to believe it and go along with it, and view them as "experts" on the subject matter. Errodien, put himself out there as a "medical professional" for example, on top of being a key member of the community to begin with, similar with BB. Impy, was the guy that actually did the 24hr live stream on twitch, and his fear was that they're going to lash out and kill people, he even said it on the stream "We're training them not to kill people." *shock*

Well, I read the thread that was linked in the second post. Moromillas, I think your biggest mistake was to not appreciate others' viewpoints. You kept insisting that what you were saying was fact and should be accepted as such. This is not going to happen. Far better to directly address what people say then to demand that they accept your views without discussion.

You wrote:

While I believe societal acceptance of autistic behaviours is important to our well being, I don't think that autism is all flowers and butterflies. Mental processing, lack of physical coordination, indeed a lack of physical connectedness to my body (which has led me to cutting,) difficulting understanding others, difficulty expressing my thoughts and coping with feelings.

I appreciate help that is given and think that the concern society is showing for autism is a good thing. Your response in the thread in question was unappreciative and arrogant.

You made some good points, but they were hard to find.

And there, is where we disagree. No, I quite plainly state that the intentions are good, however I don't appreciate stigmas of epidemic and tragedy being passed around, as it's not respectable. They raised all the extreme situations of Autism and I addressed all of them, didn't just come up with random facts, I didn't have a problem talking to them or getting questions, they didn't want to discuss it, and that is arrogance.

While I am happy that you do not suffer from some of the symptoms of autism, others do. And you seem to be disregarding this.

I don't doubt that there are more challenges within LFA, however I don't think the most embarrassing moments of a person should be representative of the entirety of themselves, especially not all the childhood ones. If suffering can be broken down to mean difficult challenges, then technically everyone suffers, including NTs. I don't think it's fair to look at just the extreme examples and blanketly say that's Autism, and it's negative.

I think I know what you're getting at. I once watched a video called Carly's Cafe which is supposed to show what it's like to be autistic. I'm not providing the link as I found it to be offensive. In so many ways ... the most bothersome aspect however is how Carly herself is projected. I feel so sorry that she has to put up with these idiots in her life, who make her perform like this. Sickens me still.

well lets go do something about it then. we can complain all we want or we can do something about it, sitting around bitching about s**t isnt gonna solve anything. Action on the other hand will.

Hear hear. What action did you have in mind?

Huh, hadnt really thought that far, you got any ideas?

wes should make a big deal out of it and try and see if we can get it taken down. if we all come together and try and do that i really think that it could happen.

Perhaps, we should hijack a small nuke? We might make it onto the papers then, maybe.

im being serious as*hole.

think about it if we could get a good portion of the site to go out there and all flag the same video, or all right the same comment or have some sort of slogan of disaproval and make it so no one could use the comment system or something we could probably get the video taken down. its certianly worth trying.

[quote="Moromillas"]Hear hear. What action did you have in mind?[/quote]

I have only recently joined this forum and I see this everywhere....
Why don't we form an organization that and direct our efforts.

Just pointing out that people only seem to help or care unless you are on fire.

A flagging campaign? I suppose it beats blogging?

Here's the thing though, what are the chances they won't understand where we're coming from and just think us as*holes for messing up other peoples fun. They see the video taken down, the comments stuffed, and just go "See? There's something wrong with them."