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08 Aug 2014, 3:39 pm

Is this pro atheism or pro young-earth creationism? It's quite difficult to tell, actually...


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08 Aug 2014, 3:42 pm

Kurgan wrote:
Is this pro atheism or pro young-earth creationism? It's quite difficult to tell, actually...


It was directed to me from an Atheist page. It looks like Atheist dialogue with a clueless creationist to me. I could be wrong.



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09 Aug 2014, 12:09 pm

That site is creationist, watch the video, it is just a collection of straw-men, and logical fallacy questions edited together, so people don't give qualified answers.


I think the intention is to try an be ambiguous at the start, in order to crowbar creationism into education. They even ask to play the video in class, because the first 14 minutes doesn't mention god.



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09 Aug 2014, 12:23 pm

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That site is creationist, watch the video, it is just a collection of straw-men, and logical fallacy questions edited together, so people don't give qualified answers.


I think the intention is to try an be ambiguous at the start, in order to crowbar creationism into education. They even ask to play the video in class, because the first 14 minutes doesn't mention god.



Thank you. I never bothered to visit the homepage and watch the video. I see what you mean now. It's an assclown website.



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09 Aug 2014, 1:02 pm

The video points one thing that I see as true: science people seem to overreach what they know personally.



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09 Aug 2014, 2:15 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
The video points one thing that I see as true: science people seem to overreach what they know personally.


Science isn't a particular person. But I take your point.

That video sest up many false premiss them make them argue against them as if that is their position, then cuts them off at the point there would give a qualified explanation. For instance "kinds" is more ambiguous than even species. We make a distinction between ducks and geese but actually this distinction is actually quite arbitrary, and doesn't follow generic lines strictly.

We don't observe electric current directly but we know it works, we even have scientific laws and equations which we depend on everyday. Of course the rule actually still work now we know the flow of electrons is moving in the opposite direction we originally thought. Because the convention of current can still apply. Science helps us find this out not religion.

Creation and evolution are actually answering different questions. Abiogenesis is the science to do withe creation or start of life. Evolution doesn't answer this question.



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09 Aug 2014, 3:51 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
That site is creationist, watch the video, it is just a collection of straw-men, and logical fallacy questions edited together, so people don't give qualified answers.


I think the intention is to try an be ambiguous at the start, in order to crowbar creationism into education. They even ask to play the video in class, because the first 14 minutes doesn't mention god.


Yea. I didn't watch the video but the cartoons are written from the POV that atheist scientists are arrogant hypocrites. But it builds to that POV over the course of many panels. The religious guy is deliberately made at first to look simple minded while the atheist scientist is learned and well educated. But as the panels progress it becomes clear that this was done to ultimately make the atheist scientist trip over his words in apparent hypocrisy while the "simple" minded guy is actually very wise.

straw men and logical fallacies

Watch how the religious guy is first painted as an atheist-wannabe who ultimately "fails" at atheism because he is just too darn wise to believe it.



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10 Aug 2014, 6:36 pm

It's clearly creationist material.


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11 Aug 2014, 2:17 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LW06dav7KA[/youtube]


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11 Aug 2014, 7:33 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LW06dav7KA[/youtube]


I thank you for adding humor to the table as always!
This is the stuff that keeps us at our best!
Why can't all atheists at least have a sense of humor?


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11 Aug 2014, 12:48 pm

^^ Heres another one! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJgLBoB_Pw[/youtube]


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11 Aug 2014, 1:12 pm

The last Woolly Mammoths went extinct about 4,000 years ago but they have existed way before that.



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12 Aug 2014, 9:47 am

0_equals_true wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
The video points one thing that I see as true: science people seem to overreach what they know personally.


Science isn't a particular person. But I take your point.

That video sest up many false premiss them make them argue against them as if that is their position, then cuts them off at the point there would give a qualified explanation. For instance "kinds" is more ambiguous than even species. We make a distinction between ducks and geese but actually this distinction is actually quite arbitrary, and doesn't follow generic lines strictly.

We don't observe electric current directly but we know it works, we even have scientific laws and equations which we depend on everyday. Of course the rule actually still work now we know the flow of electrons is moving in the opposite direction we originally thought. Because the convention of current can still apply. Science helps us find this out not religion.

Creation and evolution are actually answering different questions. Abiogenesis is the science to do withe creation or start of life. Evolution doesn't answer this question.

If creationists think their right then why do they need to use such dirty tricks? If they're honest and godly people why do they lie?
I guess creationists are like the bearded man in the comics.



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12 Aug 2014, 10:13 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
If creationists think their right then why do they need to use such dirty tricks? If they're honest and godly people why do they lie?
I guess creationists are like the bearded man in the comics.


First let me make clear that when I say "creationists" I am not referring to people who believe in a Creator even if they mean the God of the Bible. I refer specifically to what is known as Young Earth Creationism based on a literal reading of Genesis that assumes the earth is only 6,000 years old, humans and other animals do not share a common ancestor, all animals were created at once as separate kinds, and dinosaurs and humans walked the earth together only a few thousand years ago. All these beliefs have been falsified by multiple independent lines of evidence, but some people refuse to accept this.

Most people who argue against evolution are very badly misinformed about this subject. Creationist sources ignore some of the strongest evidence for evolution and they deny or distort what they do not ignore. They also create straw man arguments and show an abysmal misunderstanding of what evidence actually exists and how science works. They do this because that is all they have. They do not have any actual physical scientific evidence that either supports their position or falsifies evolution. This has been demonstrated more than a dozen times in major court battles in the USA since the late 1960s. Every time the creationists go up against evolution in a fair fight in a court of law, the creationists come out looking like fools because they cannot present ANY evidence for their side! Of course reality is not determined in a court of law, but it just goes to show how stupid and dishonest the creationists are.

Also, many if not most creationist websites, books and videos are notorious for the blatantly dishonest practice of "quote mining." This is when you quote something somebody famous said, but you take it out of its surrounding context in such a way as to make it look like the person meant the OPPOSITE of what they actually meant when you read the original source of the quotation. This practice of "quote mining" particularly offends me because I love truth and dislike liars.

Most Christians belong to churches that either accept evolution as an observable testable fact of nature (which it is), or say it doesn't matter to their faith. Those churches which insist on a literal reading of Genesis though are out of touch with demonstrable reality, and those lunatic fringe cults are so very vocal and have so many members that they are doing quite a good job at dumbing down the human race and making Christians and Christianity look really really stupid and possibly insane.


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12 Aug 2014, 11:46 am

Oh that video...

"Give me a piece of evidence for Darwinian evolution"
"Here are four"
"Those don't count for arbitrary reasons"