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Surely you've heard of the long arm of the law??

Or we could cease jumping to conclusions and wait for the findings of the investigation or even trial if there's going to be one. This doesn't look like it's going to be some little thing that just passes in a few weeks and gets swept under the rug. And stop pulling the race card. We already have one white person on this forum that pretends to be blacker and more offended than most black people.

I'll stop pulling the race card when the deck isn't stacked against people of color.

Why is it necessary for police officers to shoot to kill when dealing with these situations? Cant put 6-8 shots into his legs at that range? Officers don't understand any fundamental martial arts to neutralize people? Why is shooting to kill the only option? Especially unarmed people. Even Zimmerman, wrestling with a scrawny teenager, first response is to pull out his gun and shoot him. He was a damned kid. Throw his ass off. People have no composure. Put a firearm in peoples hands and first instinct when dealing with argumentative or physical aggression is to shoot and kill. Even the guy with a knife they shot. Two police officers are not even brave enough or trained adequately to attempt to subdue or neutralize a man with a knife? We are a society of wimps and excuse makers who have no respect for human life.

Cops are not expert marksmen and it is not very easy to shoot to wound, you only shoot center mass. Cops end up shooting bystanders all the time actually, few years ago they shot like 9 bystanders firing on some guys in New York City. Martial arts can subdue some people that are unarmed and untrained but that's not that's not always the case.

The key really is that these cops need to not initiate confrontations like they do, violence and use of force shouldn't be the first answer. Body cameras really need to be mandated, that way cops know they're not above the law but they're also protected from bogus reports complaints too. Police could be better trained to if their actions are monitored and studied, the bad eggs could be weeded out. Police violence would plummet and it would be a win for everyone involved except for the corrupt cops.

http://video.stltoday.com/Behind-the-sc ... _TmTCRdWQM

Good video from the SWAT side.

bunches of whit kids get shot by cops, it just doesn't get out of regional news area. cause a whit cop shooting a white kid doesn't evoke the racial divide.

apparently the people down the street kid was killed by cops last augustu. and I didn't even hear much about it.

when i was in middle school a kid was shot playing with a orange see thru water gun. another shot when in a car reaching for his cell phone.

but its white shooting white. don't matter
black shooting black don't matter
black shooting white don't matter
whit shoots black. omg run it all over the network 24/7

Nope.

Any cop who shoots at anything but the center of mass in that kind of situation is too stupid to be a cop.

The only time you shoot is to stop the threat (the good guys anyway).

Shooting someone in the leg or arm doesn't stop the threat, and it's also a potentially lethal shot anyway. Plus, it's too hard to do under stress (also if you miss, there's a potentially lethal round going down range).

It's why you just aim center of mass and fire until the threat has stopped.

Everyone is trained that way across the world to various degrees (at least civilians and civil services anyway. The general military is different; that's shoot, shoot and keep on shooting until the ground turns red and black).

1) 6-8 shots to the legs and he'd probably bleed to death. Legs have arteries and veins in them in case you didnt know.
2) They do well enough to make center of mass shots.

One reason it's all over the news is the way the police delt with the protestors and the press.
Anytime you have something in your hand or reach for something you can be perceived as a threat to an over anxious officer.A few years back a developmentally disabled man was shot by the police becuse he didn't remove his hands from his pockets when asked to.If I remember right it was caught on the dash cam so they ruled in favor of the cop.
Best advice,keep your hands in plain sight and don't make sudden movements,sometimes even this isn't enough to keep you safe.They can still grab ahold of you and put you in a choke hold.

Exactly.

With a handgun, it would be hard enough to hit someone in the leg just standing there. But in a shooting situation, they probably aren't just standing there. Hitting a moving target is much more difficult.

Imagine losing a family member because some officer thought he was some kind of expert marksman and shot at someone's leg, missed, and hit your family member instead.

Or even sitting or standing in the wrong place.

While waiting for someone the day before a primary election several years ago I was sitting outdoors on a work platform that gave me a pretty good view over a nearby crowd that had gathered to see a Presidential candidate who was due to arrive later that morning. After a few minutes, a cop came over and told me that I was making their SWAT team nervous because of where I was sitting. I quickly got down from the platform and went back inside.

They have more respect for their own life. Should they really take the risk that they will lose the fight? If you decide to use a gun, you are deciding to kill your opponent.

It's much better to defuse the situation before it gets to that.

So, to summarise:

- Black man starts punching white man in the face
- Black man stops punching white man and walks away
- White man threatens black man with gun
- Black man moves towards white man
- White man kills him
- The great and good of the American right jump to the white man's defence

This is institutional racism. The white man has massively overreacted based on the evidence presented and should be facing a murder charge.

If the tables had been turned and Brown had shot a white man who had just assaulted him, he would be in deep trouble.

That's it, blame the victim.

We don't know all the facts, it's certainly not so simplistic.