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20 Aug 2014, 4:18 pm

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... I have seen every diet strategy known to mankind. The only one that is even remotely reliable for long term weight maintenance is "eat less, move more." You have to do both. Unless you're one of those genetically gifted types who simply don't gain weight, no matter what.


Yes. That's what I've been saying.

One of my favourite books - although it is increasingly, scarily accurate, is Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". People are conditioned to pay for complex leisure activities instead of just walking about in the countryside enjoying the fresh air. There's no money to be made from the latter. Instead, their conditioning ensures that they scorn such natural activities in favour of complex, and costly, man-made entertainment. It's a money-go-round, just like the diet industry and the exercise industry. Buy this diet plan, buy this exercise plan ?. And this one, and that one, paying for the non-existent quick-fix. Aaargh!

Eat less, move about more!


I don't know that "Brave New World" is what I would call a favorite, but it's certainly one of the most memorable books I've read!

All I've been adding to the "eat less, move more" mantra is that it is *not* equally easy for everyone. Just like any other factor of human physiology, there's a bell curve, and most people will fall somewhere in the middle, but there are also people on both ends of the scale. There is no doubt that the way we live as in western society is adding to the obesity problem (a proliferation of cheap, fatty, sugary foods combined with a more sedentary lifestyle). On the up side, increasing rates of obesity is prompting more serious research into the causes, and there's where it's starting to become more and more apparent that not everyone is physiologically the same, and that genetics plays a very large role in dictating any one individual's weight. From the article I posted:

"For example, in one of his studies, Dr. Bouchard enlisted 12 pairs of lean identical twins to live in an enclosed area for 120 days so their food and exercise could be monitored while they ate 1,000 calories a day more than needed to maintain their weight. The twins in each pair gained about the same amount of weight, but the amount gained varied threefold among the pairs. Those who gained the most put on as much as 29 pounds while those who gained the least put on 9 ½ pounds.

'It is not a freak finding,' Dr. Bouchard said, adding that about 20 studies found the same threefold range in weight gain in response to excess calories. But it also is not clear why this occurs. The intriguing possibility, he said, is that the newly discovered gene might be among those involved. The level of its activity might help determine how quickly calories are burned."



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20 Aug 2014, 5:35 pm

I actually tend to take better care of my self and my home when in a relationship, and take fair care of my home and self otherwise when just single and dating. its after I had decided to give up on ever having a real partner I have found my self letting my self and my environment go to hell. its like I do keep my laundry and home clean, just I don't ever bother anymore folding them and putting them away, I just leave them in the basket, and my home is all aclutter, and I am starting to gain so much weight I am having to buy new cloths to fit me because of all the fat I am gaining. its like once I gave up on ever being in a relationship again, all my drive and care went away, and my social anxieties have become much much worse.


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20 Aug 2014, 5:45 pm

^^ Kinda likewise, actually, although it depends to some extent on the reason I'm alone. I have had a couple breakups that left me deliriously happy; others have left me at least moderately depressed.

I was in great shape when my late fiancé was alive. Since his death, I haven't gotten fat, but I'm much less active (all the fun things we did together constituted a pretty darned good fitness program), so I've lost muscle tone, and I don't care as much about my appearance and my environment.



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20 Aug 2014, 8:56 pm

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^^ Kinda likewise, actually, although it depends to some extent on the reason I'm alone. I have had a couple breakups that left me deliriously happy; others have left me at least moderately depressed.

I was in great shape when my late fiancé was alive. Since his death, I haven't gotten fat, but I'm much less active (all the fun things we did together constituted a pretty darned good fitness program), so I've lost muscle tone, and I don't care as much about my appearance and my environment.

Sorry to hear about your loss.



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20 Aug 2014, 9:30 pm

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let's not blame everything on genetics as well; I don't think that human dna has much changed since 2 generations ago.

Could it be that some people have always had the fat gene but the modern lifestyle has recently unlocked its potential to get fat. I mean, if someone has the fat gene they'll still be thin if they have a lifestyle that involves physical activity and a modest diet.

Such was a necessity not too long ago. It may be genetics but didn't genes evolve for a reason? Could it be that what in modern times is the fat gene was in preindustrial times the famine resistance gene?

And if it is genes, since at least on a subconscious level attraction is based on gene selection, if a fat person gets fit, is that genetic fraud?
After all, many people are thin without trying to be thin.



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21 Aug 2014, 6:52 am

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Metabolism is genetically linked and does vary between people: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/healt ... d=all&_r=0


Thermodynamics are not genetically linked.


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21 Aug 2014, 7:27 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
let's not blame everything on genetics as well; I don't think that human dna has much changed since 2 generations ago.

Could it be that some people have always had the fat gene but the modern lifestyle has recently unlocked its potential to get fat. I mean, if someone has the fat gene they'll still be thin if they have a lifestyle that involves physical activity and a modest diet.

Such was a necessity not too long ago. It may be genetics but didn't genes evolve for a reason? Could it be that what in modern times is the fat gene was in preindustrial times the famine resistance gene?

And if it is genes, since at least on a subconscious level attraction is based on gene selection, if a fat person gets fit, is that genetic fraud?
After all, many people are thin without trying to be thin.



If a fat person gets fit that means that his/her "strong will" gene is strong; so no, it's not genetic fraud, it is genetic compensation. :p



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21 Aug 2014, 11:43 am

There are obviously different body types. An endomorph is a person that gains fat very easy, that being said you adjust diet to compensate and even on a budget you can eat less of certain foods and more of other foods.



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21 Aug 2014, 12:15 pm

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There are obviously different body types. An endomorph is a person that gains fat very easy, that being said you adjust diet to compensate and even on a budget you can eat less of certain foods and more of other foods.


Having a slow metabolism doesn't mean that you're supposed to be fat, but that you need less food than someone with a fast metabolism. I have a slow (as in static) metabolism. I need less food than someone with a fast metabolism to function, which is actually beneficial from an economic point of view. My metabolism combined with a high testosterone level, actually causes me to gain muscle mass rapidly.


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21 Aug 2014, 12:17 pm

Is it normal to not lose weight everyday when your dieting?
I eat approxminately 1300 calories and walk 3,5 miles everyday and my weight has gone down every day sofar. But today I weighed myself again and I was still the exact same weight as two days before (70,6 kilogram) while I was properly dieting.



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21 Aug 2014, 12:21 pm

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Is it normal to not lose weight everyday when your dieting?
I eat approxminately 1300 calories and walk 3,5 miles everyday and my weight has gone down every day sofar. But today I weighed myself again and I was still the exact same weight as two days before (70,6 kilogram) while I was properly dieting.


Weghing yourself everyday can be discouraging, because it's normal for weight to fluctuate. Weigh yourself once every two weeks instead.


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21 Aug 2014, 12:26 pm

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Is it normal to not lose weight everyday when your dieting?
I eat approxminately 1300 calories and walk 3,5 miles everyday and my weight has gone down every day sofar. But today I weighed myself again and I was still the exact same weight as two days before (70,6 kilogram) while I was properly dieting.


Weghing yourself everyday can be discouraging, because it's normal for weight to fluctuate. Weigh yourself once every two weeks instead.


You are right, but for some reason I'm afraid that if I don't weigh myself every other day I won't lose weight and find myself disappointed after two weeks of hard work.



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21 Aug 2014, 12:30 pm

Cafeaulait wrote:
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Is it normal to not lose weight everyday when your dieting?
I eat approxminately 1300 calories and walk 3,5 miles everyday and my weight has gone down every day sofar. But today I weighed myself again and I was still the exact same weight as two days before (70,6 kilogram) while I was properly dieting.


Weghing yourself everyday can be discouraging, because it's normal for weight to fluctuate. Weigh yourself once every two weeks instead.


You are right, but for some reason I'm afraid that if I don't weigh myself every other day I won't lose weight and find myself disappointed after two weeks of hard work.


Women can find that their weight loss can plateau or they can gain weight at different stages in their menstrual cycle - because of water retention usually. So you do need to take those kind of fluctuations into account.



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21 Aug 2014, 12:42 pm

Cafeaulait wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Cafeaulait wrote:
Is it normal to not lose weight everyday when your dieting?
I eat approxminately 1300 calories and walk 3,5 miles everyday and my weight has gone down every day sofar. But today I weighed myself again and I was still the exact same weight as two days before (70,6 kilogram) while I was properly dieting.


Weghing yourself everyday can be discouraging, because it's normal for weight to fluctuate. Weigh yourself once every two weeks instead.


You are right, but for some reason I'm afraid that if I don't weigh myself every other day I won't lose weight and find myself disappointed after two weeks of hard work.


As long as you're on a caloric deficit (something you are with a 1,300 calorie diet and a 3.5 mile walk), you'll lose weight. Fat is stored energy, and an early 20s woman weighing 70 kgs, needs 1,500 calories just to maintain body temperature. Don't make weight loss an obsession, just focus on living a normal life and do what you like in your spare time, while watching your diet and maintaining your activity level.

Water retention can be avoided by keeping your sodium levels low. Don't add any salt to your food, as most types of food already have plenty of it.


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21 Aug 2014, 1:20 pm

Weight probably varies quite a bit anyway, I think. If I drink half a liter of water my weight temporarily goes up by half a kilo too.



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21 Aug 2014, 1:33 pm

CommanderKeen wrote:
There are obviously different body types. An endomorph is a person that gains fat very easy, that being said you adjust diet to compensate and even on a budget you can eat less of certain foods and more of other foods.



But mystery remains why there are more endomorphes these days, do they make more babies? :lol: