Do the majority of guys with A.S. never get a girlfriend?

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13 Sep 2014, 9:05 am

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Whether you are objectively handsome or not, always go through life with your head held up high, pretending that you are. Even if people have told you you look like s**t in the past, ignore all they said. Force yourself to look at your own face in the mirror, and tell yourself you are a handsome Motherf***er and any girl (or guy, I don't discriminate) would be lucky to have you.


Being mildly overconfident does tend to produce better results than having a realistic assessment of the situation - studies support that. Unfortunately, I don't see how it's possible to become overconfident on purpose. I mean, if you know you're overconfident then aren't you, by definition, aware of the real state of things? Sure, you can stand in front of the mirror and say the words, but I don't know how it's possible to actually believe them. If you can do that... well, I envy you.


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13 Sep 2014, 10:38 am

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Sorry- brain not braining... is that really what it says? I legitimately can't tell if what you are saying is the same as this: "Prevalence of ASD among all adults and men only by marital status"

So then it shows that .09% of married men are ASD, whereas .05% of men total are ASD.

I'm not sure how to figure out for myself what that says about the ratio of married versus "unmarried" only that I can't do anything with the percentages/numbers that is making sense? heh.

I mean is that saying the same thing as what you wrote? I just don't understand how for myself because... because!
Can you explain to my brain? [and me if you have a couple minutes as well] Feel free to in PM if this is seriously side tracking, as I am sort of freaked I already did that plenty [sorry].



most ASD men struggle in dating,accept it.


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But I get the hint
ASD men ask about dating women.
Autistic women want to respond.
Input from ASD women is unwelcome.

...again, there may be some clues here as to the predicament you find yourself in, billiscool.

I'll go dare to ask questions elsewhere haha.


Welcome to Wrong Planet.

Some men will project their bitterness externally and women are the first easy target. I find the Autistic ones that are single rarely put themselves out there, I have steadily dated women and I'm with a beautiful woman now.

The ones that struggle do not approach many women, ask them how many they have approached? You will never get a response.


Many here likely do not know how to approach women. I quite frankly would have a hard time knowing what to say without seeming like a creep, so I rarely do so.



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13 Sep 2014, 10:56 am

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Honestly, I think you're constantly being a big drama queen in this thread


maybe? I mean it's possible.
I am a little unclear on who "he" is as this point though, since you failed to clarify.

I'm not arguing with sly- I don't contest that he has had difficulties. My comment to him was separate, and I was merely expressing my experience as a female, not challenging his personal experiences. There are actually chics who don't go to bars to get hit on- saying that wasn't trying to establish that he's doing something wrong.

My comments above that were to other people- one who kind of has been a bit of a jerk to me. But... that's ok, I guess. I mean.. you did read back and I'm assuming he didn't edit any of the posts at this point.

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he simply believes that asd men struggle in dating (and he's showing sources to back his claims, and even your sources show that asd struggle socially).

I don't actually disagree. You misread me, as does he. I simply think that reinforcing the idea that if one has ASD, then one is doomed to failure is... sinking ones own ship.


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your assumptions are so baseless and make little sense.

So are yours though, are you looking for something to argue with in what I write?
I don't actually disagree with the basis of "ASD individuals have difficulty socially". I have actually said as such- as you have said things I have posted have indicated as such. I also explicitly posted that I agree with what you wrote. That's... somehow inappropriate a as well, apparently. You have difficulty sorting through what I'm saying and I'm not sure how that indicates I'm all out of spine or a drama queen.


Maybe I misread what someone posted [Oh wow, really? That couldn't possibly happen- an autistic misreading something?]

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Seriously, grow a spine shall you.


See above.

So... wait... was this your version of a pleasant and welcoming greeting [as opposed to something trying to get me to go away- so hard to tell the difference]?


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13 Sep 2014, 10:59 am

By he I meant bill.

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See above.

So... wait... was this your version of a pleasant and welcoming greeting [as opposed to something trying to get me to go away- so hard to tell the difference]?


It's a forum, and forums are basically made for discussions - I don't have to greet you in every thread :lol: , if you want greetings you can check the "introduce yourself" section.



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13 Sep 2014, 11:06 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
By he I meant bill.

Ah. In regards to references- if you notes there, I also explained why his references kind of sucked but also said I was open to looking at others that didn't suck. I actually backed this up, when YOU posted a more reliable reference when I legitimately asked you for clarification on it because I couldn't make the numbers work in my head- it was at that point that bill did the equivalent of "shut up and accept it" and you really failed to provide an adequate explanation. It's not unreasonable to ask to understand the information presented to you if someone is presenting it to support their point- which I wasn't actually really totally arguing against in the first place. I just wanted to understand the chart.


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13 Sep 2014, 11:07 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It's a forum, and forums are basically made for discussions - I don't have to greet you in every thread :lol: , if you want greetings you can check the "introduce yourself" section.


Nah that would get exhausting. Much like a cocktail party I imagine.


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13 Sep 2014, 11:14 am

SignOfLazarus wrote:
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By he I meant bill.

Ah. In regards to references- if you notes there, I also explained why his references kind of sucked but also said I was open to looking at others that didn't suck. I actually backed this up, when YOU posted a more reliable reference when I legitimately asked you for clarification on it because I couldn't make the numbers work in my head- it was at that point that bill did the equivalent of "shut up and accept it" and you really failed to provide an adequate explanation. It's not unreasonable to ask to understand the information presented to you if someone is presenting it to support their point- which I wasn't actually really totally arguing against in the first place. I just wanted to understand the chart.



Well, "asd struggle, accept it" doesn't equate to "shut up and accept it", the former is an assertive attempt of convincing you (mostly close minded statement but not rude), the latter is just a rude attack; see? you dramatize things! :lol:



What's there you don't understand?

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It says that 0.9% of Married men are ASD,while 0.5% among all Married adults are ASD (meaning men and women), and 4.5% of Single men are ASD while 2.5% of all Single adults are ASD.

Stats were not presented separately for women due to the small number of ASD women in the sample.

Now excuse me, I have a birthday of a friend to attend, can't make her wait too long.



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13 Sep 2014, 7:03 pm

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Great, out of that entire sentence title the single letter N (in never) reverses the entire meaning of the question. LOL

No.

"The majority of guys with A.S. [do not] never get a girlfriend."


sarcasm I see

nope, I answered wrongly first because I missed the N. "Do they ever..." or "Do they never..."
So I edited.


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13 Sep 2014, 7:25 pm

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The good news is that once you do attract one woman and crack it, you attract other women. It's a lot like learning a language or programming language, once you learn, learning others isn't as difficult as long as you practice the principles and stay up to date.

You guys need to be persistent and confident, it only take a one girl to bring you happiness.

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13 Sep 2014, 7:31 pm

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Considering the number of distraught NT women who post to non-WP boards about their incredibly insensitive and non-helping husbands' recent AS diagnoses,


You always carefully choose words to paint an ugly picture of AS guys here.


You just now noticed this?

^^Thank you!
It's nice to hear that we're not just paranoid. =)


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13 Sep 2014, 10:02 pm

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obviously I feel Asperger's hurts men more than women


That can be said for virtually any problem that affects both sexes.



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14 Sep 2014, 1:35 am

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Well you are saying you are not a handsome guy, Sly, how do you know you're not a handsome guy? Did someone tell you that you were not? See this negative self image portrays in your inner confidence and the image you project to the world...


cause and effect. while you might assume the wrong. cause:me thinking i'm urgly, effect put off to women.

the reality is cause: 98% of women I've met have told me i'm ugly/unattractive. effect: I accept the reality that i'm ugly and feel bad.

now have I ever thought I was handsome or good looking no. I use to think I was neither at some point. but 10+ years of being told you're ugly gets to one.

the question how does one change the ideal without experiencing positive experiences.

lets examine the the 2%. most are family/friends. they are in most cases required by family social values to say one is good looking even if they are not. to make them feel better. realty is that family wouldn't tell if a person is attractive as that would be incest which most don't do. so it not like they saying it is likely true. and if so impossible to know cause if they were lying to make you feel better the last thing they would do is tell you so.

the rest , a woman I knew online and never met could have all been a lie including her identity.
a woman I met on okc, who later confessed to compulsive lying.
so neither are trust worthy then add the 98% that say the other. so I have yet had a completely trustworthy woman say I am good looking and mean it and stick around. I somewhat acknowledge the possibility that some woman out there might legit find me attractive, but the matter is how to find her if ever I will.

mean while I accept that I simply do not meet the ideal facial attractive traits to be considered handsome by the majority of society.



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14 Sep 2014, 1:48 am

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Note to sly, even though my opinion has been declared irrelevant: I got along with my BF WAAAY before I knew what he looked like and had already developed a great friendship [see: established compatibility] before we physically met. I don't think he is traditionally "handsome" but I am deeply attracted to him. Point two: I have never ever gone to a bar, party or anything like that to meet anyone of the opposite sex and it's usually sucked on the rare occasion that a guy has tried to use that opportunity to express that kind of interest. I'm there to find a corner with a couple people and be silly, not be intruded upon.

Also what Boo says about not hitting on every person out there, but investing energy only in those that might be compatible is worthy of thinking about. [If I got that right, that is]


edited to get rid of non me related quote tunnel.

I dont' consider yours or most people's opinion irrelevant except on certain topics, this not being one of those.
how did you meet him without seeing him?
I can and have fallen in love with someone I never saw. I can fall heavy for personality, so I get that. I can't do friendship pre dating. I can do talking about interest and romance pre dating if that is what you mean by friendship?

I don't go to bars. I don't drink, loud music hurts my ears and you have to yell to talk to people, so bars and clubs are no goes for me. I just used that example cause its what most people suggest for approaching women to date. you won't find me at such places unless brought there by a gf, in which case I'd have no reason to approach women lol.

I don't hit on anyone. as for messaging women I am while not super picky not open to just anyone. I spend time to try to get a good ideal about them from their profile and answered questions. though now adays even when I find a amazing personality and similar interests I don't message. I just 5 star them and hide their profile unless I'm super into them then I don't hide it and feel sad. if I was completely open to just any woman I could likely had a gf possible but I have my things like others that makes a person a suitable match.



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14 Sep 2014, 2:39 pm

Charloz wrote:
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Well you are saying you are not a handsome guy, Sly, how do you know you're not a handsome guy? Did someone tell you that you were not? See this negative self image portrays in your inner confidence and the image you project to the world...


Whether you are objectively handsome or not, always go through life with your head held up high, pretending that you are. Even if people have told you you look like s**t in the past, ignore all they said. Force yourself to look at your own face in the mirror, and tell yourself you are a handsome Motherf***er and any girl (or guy, I don't discriminate) would be lucky to have you. This is the only way to do stuff.

As far as AS and dating in general goes? I have never heard AS causes one to be less authentic, less charming or less funny. And those are attractive traits in any person. I am not the handsomest man in the world though I would love to be, but I am not bad looking either. I am tall-ish and well built, and I can make a joke easily to make someone laugh and break the ice so to speak. As a result I never had trouble making people like me... the problem was always with deeper bonds, with real friendship or lasting relationships. I've had flings, I got around, but nothing ever came of it until about a year ago when I met my now-fiancée.

We have to not forget that not all people on the spectrum are identical. Because one guy stays single for too long doesn't mean others will. There are probably thousands of people who are somewhere on the spectrum but who camouflage so well, adapt so well to their surroundings, that you'd never in a million years guess they are "one of us". Hell, maybe they weren't even diagnosed? Lots of women, I hear, are only diagnosed later in life. And plenty of men too. It happens fairly regularly that a child is diagnosed with AS and the parents are asked if they have some of the traits associated with it as well. And it turns out the father or mother (or even both!) actually has it.

Having Asperger's isn't a death sentence to your love life, that's the biggest BS I've ever heard. It can be a complicating factor, certainly, but so can being morbidly obese or having burn wounds, or being cripple or blind or deaf or what-have-you. And still the most unusual of couples exist, of outgoing men and silent women, of tall women and short men, of fat women with skinny men, of older women and younger men or vice versa... there are so many couples that seem 'mismatched' outwardly, so many people that you would never guess could get a date in a million years, and yet they all get around one way or another. Nobody is incapable of being loved, or loving someone else.


really it's not a death sentence for a love life? I hope you are right



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14 Sep 2014, 4:30 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Well you are saying you are not a handsome guy, Sly, how do you know you're not a handsome guy? Did someone tell you that you were not? See this negative self image portrays in your inner confidence and the image you project to the world...


cause and effect. while you might assume the wrong. cause:me thinking i'm urgly, effect put off to women.

the reality is cause: 98% of women I've met have told me i'm ugly/unattractive. effect: I accept the reality that i'm ugly and feel bad.

now have I ever thought I was handsome or good looking no. I use to think I was neither at some point. but 10+ years of being told you're ugly gets to one.

the question how does one change the ideal without experiencing positive experiences.

lets examine the the 2%. most are family/friends. they are in most cases required by family social values to say one is good looking even if they are not. to make them feel better. realty is that family wouldn't tell if a person is attractive as that would be incest which most don't do. so it not like they saying it is likely true. and if so impossible to know cause if they were lying to make you feel better the last thing they would do is tell you so.

the rest , a woman I knew online and never met could have all been a lie including her identity.
a woman I met on okc, who later confessed to compulsive lying.
so neither are trust worthy then add the 98% that say the other. so I have yet had a completely trustworthy woman say I am good looking and mean it and stick around. I somewhat acknowledge the possibility that some woman out there might legit find me attractive, but the matter is how to find her if ever I will.

mean while I accept that I simply do not meet the ideal facial attractive traits to be considered handsome by the majority of society.


There's a HUGE difference between:
1) not being movie-star/conventionally handsome
2) being so very ugly that folks cross the street to avoid looking at your face
3) falling someplace in between those two "poles" of attractiveness and making the best of what you've got.

A good 90% of the population falls under #3.

If you do to believe me, a fun little exercise is to get a copy of your local paper - specifically, the weddings/engagement announcements page. Do all those folks look like movie stars? Are they all billionaires who attract pretty women with their $$, which is enough to offset the fact that he looks like the elephant man? Or are there a lot of people who look like, well, the folks in your town/city??



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14 Sep 2014, 4:48 pm

sly279 wrote:
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Well you are saying you are not a handsome guy, Sly, how do you know you're not a handsome guy? Did someone tell you that you were not? See this negative self image portrays in your inner confidence and the image you project to the world...


cause and effect. while you might assume the wrong. cause:me thinking i'm urgly, effect put off to women.

the reality is cause: 98% of women I've met have told me i'm ugly/unattractive. effect: I accept the reality that i'm ugly and feel bad.

now have I ever thought I was handsome or good looking no. I use to think I was neither at some point. but 10+ years of being told you're ugly gets to one.

the question how does one change the ideal without experiencing positive experiences.

lets examine the the 2%. most are family/friends. they are in most cases required by family social values to say one is good looking even if they are not. to make them feel better. realty is that family wouldn't tell if a person is attractive as that would be incest which most don't do. so it not like they saying it is likely true. and if so impossible to know cause if they were lying to make you feel better the last thing they would do is tell you so.

the rest , a woman I knew online and never met could have all been a lie including her identity.
a woman I met on okc, who later confessed to compulsive lying.
so neither are trust worthy then add the 98% that say the other. so I have yet had a completely trustworthy woman say I am good looking and mean it and stick around. I somewhat acknowledge the possibility that some woman out there might legit find me attractive, but the matter is how to find her if ever I will.

mean while I accept that I simply do not meet the ideal facial attractive traits to be considered handsome by the majority of society.


Maybe because you projected that image on to yourself, it projected on others and subconsciously they views you as negative. Do you see every woman dating male models with perfect faces because I don't? There are many types of guys who have partners and the key is self belief. Looks can help you when you are disadvantaged socially but they aren't everything,you need to realize that and work on attributes that bring out the better character in you...

You need to find better quality women as well, where are you meeting these liars?