manly men vs vulnerable effete men
I want a man that is not afraid to show his emotion and show himself vulnerable, but I also want him to be confident and not labile. Someone that dares voice his problems, but that has the strength to fix them.
First impression wise: confident, but not and arrogant and dismissive dick.
Yes and no. Actually soldiers are experts at pissing and moaning, but it has to be about certain subjects, like other people (especially of higher rank or politicians), the work, the food, etc. Complaining in a self pitying way is not acceptable though. That has to be stuffed away.
There is also I believe a tradition. There is a saying 'It is a soldier's right to complain.' It even goes way back. Elite units often have nicknames. Napoleon's Old Guard was known as 'The Grumblers.'
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"Sensitive and caring, but manly" strikes me as a contradiction, warrior-males excel that shutting off their emotions because that's what is required for the defense of the village; you show no emotion you show know fear. That's why some women stick with husbands that beat the crap out of them. They know they've found a warrior male whose also a good provider, but the same forces that made him a warrior-male is the same one that makes him apathetic to her...Hell there was one in the news not too long ago, sure he beats the crap out of her but he's a provider and protector, while he wont kill her, she's most certainly safe from outside forces (even if the outside forces aren't real) you can't simply disregard millions of years of evolution.
He's trained all his life to feel no empathy because that is the precise thing that lets him run down his enemies without the slightest bit of hesitation.
Women are trying to strike an ideal balance that I think is quite near impossible, the best they might find are alpha males who is good at faking empathy, or a beta male who is good at faking his power, of course there is the omega-male who actually IS vulnerable, which is what makes him good at empathy, but he's not anywhere near the warrior-male that the alpha exudes, and thus he is ignored.
Omega males are the best at being sensitive and vulnerable because they've been that their entire lives. These ones make good artists and musicians, poets and actors -- if you look at art, music, movies, you will notice that all of this is trying to reach out to you from a wounded angles, something that the omega-male is quite familiar with.
If women want genuine softness, they can find that in omega-males, but they simply don't want it, because they prefer power to weakness, like all other humans.
You know the bible says something that I think comments on this, it states "The wants of the spirit contradicts the flesh; the wants of the flesh contradicts the spirit."
You see what happens? The closer she is to power, the more inclined she is to wounding her spirit, the less near, the closer she is to wounding her flesh, but which one of these is better? Society will tell her the former, the enlightened will tell her the later.
Humans are far more dynamic and have many dimensions...
Comparing us to trends and terms used in zoology to analyse our behaviours is primitive since there's a wide range of preferences and types of people, you can't just put certain people in groups.
Again, I hear this misconception that women only date alphas in sports cars with million pound bank rolls, if that were true, why are so many people in relationships? From artists to bakers to singers to dancers to male interior designers..
First impression wise: confident, but not and arrogant and dismissive dick.
o.O showing emotion ie insecurities/weakness/vulnerable is the opposite of being confident. the two can't be one and the same. you can't be confident and be vulnerable. to be confident means to think you are not vulnerable.
to feel worried about finding work is vulnerable, but to think will find work and there is no if, is confidence.
if a man talks to a woman about his worries and concerns ie shows hes vulnerable. they say he lacks confidence.
I can't speak to the man thing, but as a comparison I find women who possess a variety of attributes attractive. That is those that are confident at times (even to being mannish, or tomboy) but also are not too proud to show vunerability at other times. Female soldiers are one example that can often embody this range of attitude/feelings quite well.
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He's trained all his life to feel no empathy because that is the precise thing that lets him run down his enemies without the slightest bit of hesitation.
Women are trying to strike an ideal balance that I think is quite near impossible, the best they might find are alpha males who is good at faking empathy, or a beta male who is good at faking his power, of course there is the omega-male who actually IS vulnerable, which is what makes him good at empathy, but he's not anywhere near the warrior-male that the alpha exudes, and thus he is ignored.
Omega males are the best at being sensitive and vulnerable because they've been that their entire lives. These ones make good artists and musicians, poets and actors -- if you look at art, music, movies, you will notice that all of this is trying to reach out to you from a wounded angles, something that the omega-male is quite familiar with.
If women want genuine softness, they can find that in omega-males, but they simply don't want it, because they prefer power to weakness, like all other humans.
You know the bible says something that I think comments on this, it states "The wants of the spirit contradicts the flesh; the wants of the flesh contradicts the spirit."
You see what happens? The closer she is to power, the more inclined she is to wounding her spirit, the less near, the closer she is to wounding her flesh, but which one of these is better? Society will tell her the former, the enlightened will tell her the later.
No disrespect intended. But is the concept of Alpha, Omega, etc, males even valid? I have not come accross that in reference to homo sapiens in my casual scientific readings, just some other animals. I have been thinking it is just a recent pop culture creation. Do you have any credible references on it?
Maybe im in an overly sentimental and unmanly mood but that strikes me as quite beautiful. Its also a little simple since many women are actually dominant and prefer to do the subjugation. Perhaps our patriarchal culture and evolution mean that the numbers of women with this at their core is pretty high... I dont think that anyone can really say. Subjecting the soul to scrutiny is a dangerous thing
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First impression wise: confident, but not and arrogant and dismissive dick.
o.O showing emotion ie insecurities/weakness/vulnerable is the opposite of being confident. the two can't be one and the same. you can't be confident and be vulnerable. to be confident means to think you are not vulnerable.
to feel worried about finding work is vulnerable, but to think will find work and there is no if, is confidence.
if a man talks to a woman about his worries and concerns ie shows hes vulnerable. they say he lacks confidence.
I have to disagree with this. Truly confident people are willing to be vulnerable because they trust that they are still a good person and other people can still love them even if they have a problem. If I see a person not expressing how he feels and hiding behind a macho exterior, I assume that there is a lot of damage there and he is not being genuine, which is not attractive. Sitting around whimpering because your life sucks is not attractive either. There is definitely a middle ground where a man (or a woman!) is really secure enough to express emotions and vulnerabilities without being pitiable.
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First impression wise: confident, but not and arrogant and dismissive dick.
o.O showing emotion ie insecurities/weakness/vulnerable is the opposite of being confident. the two can't be one and the same. you can't be confident and be vulnerable. to be confident means to think you are not vulnerable.
to feel worried about finding work is vulnerable, but to think will find work and there is no if, is confidence.
if a man talks to a woman about his worries and concerns ie shows hes vulnerable. they say he lacks confidence.
I have to disagree with this. Truly confident people are willing to be vulnerable because they trust that they are still a good person and other people can still love them even if they have a problem. If I see a person not expressing how he feels and hiding behind a macho exterior, I assume that there is a lot of damage there and he is not being genuine, which is not attractive. Sitting around whimpering because your life sucks is not attractive either. There is definitely a middle ground where a man (or a woman!) is really secure enough to express emotions and vulnerabilities without being pitiable.
really cause al I get is telling a woman about your emotions and troubles means you're clingy and lack confidence. saying that I am afraid of losing her = no confidence. saying I feel unsure about finding work = no confidence. however the women i tell nothing say I am confident, but as soon as I express my concern or pain, bam they like where did your confidence go.
I am hopeful but I can't dis-knowledge reality either.
so confidence is never crying never showing fear or anxiety. whether you have it doesn't matter but don't show it. course they also complain you don't ever talk to them about stuff. but as soon as I do i'm told I have no confidence.
i don't consider that macho, macho would be doing tough stuff, lifting heavy things, getting cut and acting like its no big deal etc.