Science vs Religion which is more correct?

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16 Sep 2014, 6:54 pm

blunnet wrote:

Not really, they are not equallly substantial, considering it has been demonstrated that science had explained phenomena far better than religion has had, in short, the epistemology of science works, religious epistemology fails at describing how the world actually works.

Aside from the fact that that's pretty much tautology, you're missing the point that you can't be objective if you've already decided which approach you're going to take on the world.

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Your assertion implies relativism, wether you intentionally support it or not, as you put scientific knowledge in the same relative model as religious dogmas and everything else, which in itself is useless in practice.

I'd say it's closer to critical realism that relativism, albeit perhaps with a sprinkling of the latter.

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As Dawkins puts it: "Science works. Planes fly. Magic carpets and broomsticks don't. Gravity's not a version of the truth. It *is* the truth. Anyone who doubts it is invited to jump out of a tenth floor window."

Richard Dawkins is an absolute joke. He's little more than the 'scientistic' side of the fundamentalist coin.

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should epistemic values be limited towards some sort of philosophical skepticism or going as far as solipsism? it's useless.

We should acknowledge that there is a difference between function and fact.

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religion however, deals with absolute truths, so we can see which works better.

Says who? It really seems to me that you've already made up your mind about both science and religion.

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False, it does not adapt in the same way scientific theory does. One example: Falsifiability.

It adapts at the same rate with equal affect from the tides of time.

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And, non-fundamentalist religions adapting is pretty much ad hoc (ie catholics reinterpreting the bible to adopt evolution)

You're setting standards by which to dismiss religion. Religion itself, evidently, does not subscribe to these standards.

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16 Sep 2014, 7:23 pm

I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

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16 Sep 2014, 7:46 pm

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when a religious doctrine is proved wrong, religions won't change.

lol what? Religions change all the time. Literally all the time.

Fifty percent of Christians still believe the world is under 10,000 years old. I hold to my original point.

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16 Sep 2014, 8:03 pm

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I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?

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16 Sep 2014, 8:14 pm

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I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

If inflammatory means taking on the big controversial subjects then inflammatory is a good thing.
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16 Sep 2014, 9:09 pm

Cash__ wrote:

YourMum wrote:

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when a religious doctrine is proved wrong, religions won't change.

lol what? Religions change all the time. Literally all the time.

Tell that to the religous and they will crucify you!
Literally all of the time crucify you!

"God never changes" according to the religious.

So neither can the revealed word of God. Don't you know THAT you godless heathen blaspheemer you!

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16 Sep 2014, 11:37 pm

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"God never changes" according to the religious.

Assuming you don't set yourself inside that camp, how can you be the one to set its standards?

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17 Sep 2014, 9:09 am

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muslimmetalhead wrote:

I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?

Um . . .
The same things that are not inflammatory to a Christian, for the most part.

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17 Sep 2014, 9:22 am

sonofghandi wrote:

AspE wrote:

muslimmetalhead wrote:

I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?

Um . . .
The same things that are not inflammatory to a Christian, for the most part.

I doubt that.

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17 Sep 2014, 9:30 am

AspE wrote:

sonofghandi wrote:

AspE wrote:

muslimmetalhead wrote:

I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?

Um . . .
The same things that are not inflammatory to a Christian, for the most part.

I doubt that.

Evolution (often times), doubters the faith, non-believers having any authority, atheists, laws not based on that religion's teachings, those dismissive of their beliefs, those who make sweeping stereotypes based on the words/actions of a minority, persecution (real and imagined) being mistreated/insulted because of their faith, desecration of their holy symbols/texts, etc.

What exactly do you think upsets Muslims more than someone belonging to a different faith?

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17 Sep 2014, 1:19 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNd_S3iXfs[/youtube]Heres a long video debate of science vs religion.

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17 Sep 2014, 2:43 pm

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What exactly do you think upsets Muslims more than someone belonging to a different faith?

Cartoons and apostasy.

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17 Sep 2014, 2:53 pm

Depends on what you want it for, doesn't it?

Science can tell me what is messed-up about me. It can tell me how it's messed-up, how it got messed-up, and how it would work if it weren't messed-up.

It cannot tell me why it's messed-up. All science can say is that it's hereditary, or bad luck, or an environmental toxin or collection thereof. Random. Whatever. It cannot supply me with a Big Why.

For that, I need philosophy, or religion.

Philosophy and religion can give me good whys that make me feel better (indeed, even not messed-up at all) or bad whys that make me feel even worse. But at least they can give me answers.

Science is probably more correct if you need data.

If you're looking for gestalt, or raison d'etre, or whatever word you prefer for what I call Big Why or "a reason to keep getting out of bed in the morning," then religion/philosophy is probably more likely to yield useful results.

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17 Sep 2014, 3:12 pm

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"God never changes" according to the religious.

Assuming you don't set yourself inside that camp, how can you be the one to set its standards?

Its THEIR words I'm quoting. So ask THEM!

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17 Sep 2014, 3:52 pm

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Religion can't tell you why. Having answers doesn't mean they are the right ones. Unless there is some method to ensure the answers are right, they are useless.

Philosophy is science. Science even used to be called Natural Philosophy. It uses logical systems to arrive at conclusions.

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18 Sep 2014, 6:46 am

AspE wrote:

sonofghandi wrote:

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What exactly do you think upsets Muslims more than someone belonging to a different faith?

Cartoons and apostasy.

^So the outrage over Aaron McGruder's Black Jesus doesn't compare? How about the anger and hostility over the recent Noah's Ark movie?

And as for apostasy, do you know someone who grew up in an extremely religious household who became an atheist? If you have, ask them how their family likes their loss of faith. Quite likely it was not taken well.

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