Sexism is prolific in the video game industry

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18 Sep 2014, 8:45 pm

Were it not so, then this $#!7storm could not have happened:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-i- ... ed-person/

It's driving women away from the industry.


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18 Sep 2014, 9:22 pm

Agreed. They're basically shaming Zoe because of things she apparently did, which there is no concrete proof. An angry ex-boyfriend with no basis to his accusations is a joke to me.

Also, I don't get how these little punks get off on threatening people for having an opinion on games, like giving death threats to Anita is some of the most vile crap. She has a right to voice her opinion (whether or not people agree with her still she is free too, I agree with her however) and not get death / rape / violence threats. I remember when gamers just cared about playing games, not who makes a game, what company publishes a game and accepting that others have different opinion on things.



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18 Sep 2014, 10:58 pm

Anyone looking for an alternative view on this matter should check out the following links:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Lond ... stry-Apart
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Lond ... lism-elite
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Lond ... e-reformed
http://gamergate.giz.moe/
http://nichegamer.net/2014/09/real-game ... ntroversy/

And there's obviously a crapload more information out there. Somewhere in the vast void between the disproportionately loud extremists is something resembling "truth", but it's been buried deep beneath the vitriol.



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18 Sep 2014, 11:12 pm

Isn't breitbart a right wing website? Then I wouldn't take anything they say with a grain of salt (much like Fox news, which is a joke)

There is no alternate view on this "Gamergate" crap, it's plain misogyny at this point and a bunch of immature kids who can't accept that women play video games and have a right to voice their opinion.

As well, corruption exists in every media form. I don't know why people are thinking all of a sudden it happens now (like the Borderlands 2 writer having friends who work at Polygon), it has happened for years before this. If anyone remembers the Kane and Lynch scandal with Gamespot a few years back, that can show you that it exists. But this Gamergate crap is fueled by misogyny and false information based on one angry ex-boyfriend. That's my take on it anyhow.



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18 Sep 2014, 11:24 pm

Consumer slave gamer zombies are finishing off any chance we might have had for a kinder and more equitable existence; because, like the anti-depressant junky, instead of doing something about the source of their discontent, they've chosen junk. But, the gamer's drug of choice is far worse. In addition to turning them into sociopathic jerks, their human skinner boxes manipulate them into being base and stupid, as well.

Sooner or later something will be done to combat the deleterious effects of modern gaming; a never ending supply of gamer heroin that only works while you're taking it, is great for keeping the hoi polloi off the streets, but it'll also seriously hamper productivity, right? I think that we'll see some creative solutions to this problem in coming years. I bet it'll involve inserting things into peoples brains.



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There is no alternate view on this "Gamergate" crap, it's plain misogyny at this point and a bunch of immature kids who can't accept that women play video games and have a right to voice their opinion.
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Yeah, a lot of the anti feminist stuff, that's so ubiquitous now, is part of a strategy to win women over to the GOP:

http://aiffe.tumblr.com/post/8081004827 ... e-hysteria
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So it turns out that Time magazine?s anti-existence of rape culture piece (It?s Time to End ?Rape Culture? Hysteria) was written by a research associate for American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank. And guess what?s pretty interesting about this think tank:
"The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is one of the oldest and most influential of the pro-business right-wing think tanks. It promotes the advancement of free enterprise capitalism, and has been extremely successful in placing its people in influential governmental positions, particularly in the Bush Administration. AEI has been described as one of the country?s main bastions of neoconservatism."



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18 Sep 2014, 11:31 pm

Misogyny exists, but it is not promoted in gaming. Anonymity just brings out the douchebags.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxqSwzFy5w[/youtube]

Fact-checking for above video: https://medium.com/@cainejw/the-factual ... ae584f56da


Warning, this Cracked article was written by a sociopath and predictably omits and warps information to make her seem an innocent victim. If you don't want to lose your faith in humanity, avoid doing any further investigation.



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18 Sep 2014, 11:31 pm

This is what it would be like on the MMORPG gaming community if things were reversed! :lol: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqTvdz7mv7c[/youtube]


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18 Sep 2014, 11:45 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:
Isn't breitbart a right wing website? Then I wouldn't take anything they say with a grain of salt (much like Fox news, which is a joke)


Try reading the articles rather than prejudging based on political leanings. There are, of course, a smattering of references to liberals but he sticks to the facts and cites his sources. More importantly, Milo Yiannopoulos has stuck his neck out by quoting entire email conversations alongside the names of the authors. It should be fairly obvious to everyone why this wouldn't happen unless his sources were 100% accurate and verified.

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There is no alternate view on this "Gamergate" crap


How incredibly open-minded of you.

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it's plain misogyny at this point and a bunch of immature kids who can't accept that women play video games and have a right to voice their opinion.


Keep beating that drum. The only people listening are those who already march to its beat. The irony is that it's deemed perfectly acceptable to denigrate an entire demographic on the actions of its minority, when that demographic's only shared trait is a hobby or pastime.

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As well, corruption exists in every media form. I don't know why people are thinking all of a sudden it happens now (like the Borderlands 2 writer having friends who work at Polygon), it has happened for years before this. If anyone remembers the Kane and Lynch scandal with Gamespot a few years back, that can show you that it exists. But this Gamergate crap is fueled by misogyny and false information based on one angry ex-boyfriend. That's my take on it anyhow.


This is the first time in history that games journalists, when questioned regarding their integrity by their readership, responded in a coordinated attack upon their target audience. I'm really not interested in a lengthy debate on the subject. Rather, I again invite anyone who wants to make any kind of attempt (however misguided doing so may be) at forming something resembling a subjective opinion on this matter to investigate further. The links I already provided are, in my view, a decent starting point.



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18 Sep 2014, 11:55 pm

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I had little enough in common with the cultural zeitgeist a decade ago, but seeing the way people get caught up in social media, and now with this Video Game deconstruction stuff; it's putting to an end my sense of oneness with this stupid species. Consumer slave gamer zombies are finishing off any chance we might have had for a kinder and more equitable existence. They've allowed themselves to be manipulated by the crafters of human skinner boxes into becoming as base and stupid as it's possible for a human being to be.

Games are becoming junk. Sooner or later something will be done to combat the deleterious effects of modern gaming; a never ending supply of heroin that only works while you're taking it, will keep the hoi polloi off the streets, but it'll also seriously hamper productivity, right? I think that we'll see solutions to this problem in coming years. I bet it'll involve inserting things into peoples brains.


Too penetrate-y. It would need to somehow envelop the brain to gain widespread acceptance.

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Warning, this Cracked article was written by a sociopath and predictably omits and warps information to make her seem an innocent victim. If you don't want to lose your faith in humanity, avoid doing any further investigation.


That advice comes somewhat late in my case, having lost faith in humanity a good many years back.

On the subject of sociopathic warping, here's a lengthy link:

https://o.twimg.com/2/proxy.jpg?t=HBgea ... BIw2EOkIQk

Make of it what you will.



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19 Sep 2014, 2:07 am

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Yeah, a lot of the anti feminist stuff, that's so ubiquitous now, is part of a strategy to win women over to the GOP:


Your "evidence" consists of the fact that a guy who wrote an article also happens to work for a think tank; compelling stuff...

Most people who have a problem with feminism seem more motivated by the fact that feminists are often off-putting and irritating, as activists tend to be, than by rightwing conspiracies, vast or otherwise.

Personally, I find their tendencies for epistemic closure, ivory tower impracticality, judgmental clucking, poor critical thinking skills, hypocrisy, and seeming inability to argue without resorting to emotion based fallacies to be a nearly irresistible target, especially when they're so self righteous about it all. I am specifically referring to the current crop of gender warrior twitter feminists here, I'm well aware they come in many flavors.


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19 Sep 2014, 7:57 am

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It should be fairly obvious to everyone why this wouldn't happen unless his sources were 100% accurate and verified.


:lmao:


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19 Sep 2014, 7:59 am

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Personally, I find their tendencies for epistemic closure, ivory tower impracticality, judgmental clucking, poor critical thinking skills, hypocrisy, and seeming inability to argue without resorting to emotion based fallacies to be a nearly irresistible target, especially when they're so self righteous about it all. I am specifically referring to the current crop of gender warrior twitter feminists here, I'm well aware they come in many flavors.


^I agree in terms of the most vocal Twitter-verse female superiority movement.

But that's my opinion of the extremists of any political, social, and/or religious group.


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19 Sep 2014, 9:45 am

Well, when you get attacked by self-professed feminists simply for raising the issue of female-on-male rape (which is as common as male-on-female rape on US college campuses), or suggesting that Mens Rights Activists might have valid concerns... the trouble is, if you try to discuss anything like that, you're going to be called a misogynist by someone, so it's really no surprise when it deteroiates into a twitstorm. Though that is probably also in a large part the resullt of the structure of Twitter, 140 characters is really not enough...

But anyway, #GamerGate is not about sexism, it's about people coming in late to gamer culture and turning around and criticising games, analogous to, perhaps, a fan of the new series of Doctor Who criticising the old series and wondering why a load of Whovians don't like them. Or it's about a lack of transparancy in game journalism. Probably both, with the usual fringe groups shouting about how they want to kill anyone who disagrees with them.



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19 Sep 2014, 10:06 am

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On what grounds do you find that amusing?

It's one thing to post rumours or allegations of private communications between individuals. It's quite another to quote them verbatim alongside their names. No sane editor would allow this without thoroughly verified sources as the litigation would destroy them.



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19 Sep 2014, 12:22 pm

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19 Sep 2014, 12:28 pm

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But anyway, #GamerGate is not about sexism, it's about people coming in late to gamer culture and turning around and criticising games, analogous to, perhaps, a fan of the new series of Doctor Who criticising the old series and wondering why a load of Whovians don't like them. Or it's about a lack of transparancy in game journalism. Probably both, with the usual fringe groups shouting about how they want to kill anyone who disagrees with them.


You're basically saying that women are the newcomers and must learn from the guys on what it is OK to criticize and not OK to criticize.


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