25 Percent Of Americans Open To Secession

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26 Sep 2014, 5:09 pm

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No, Obama's not the Lord And Savior - but he's far from wrecking the country like his predecessor had done.

Usually we only capitalise "lord and savior" when referring to The Lord Jesus. This indicates that you likely do see Obama as your lord and savior.
I wish I was only joking......

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And I seriously think he's incapable of said predecessor's incompetence that would bring down the economy. And as far as Iraq and Afghanistan are concerned - again, that's a mess Obama had inherited. A mess that wouldn't exist had a dullard not have destabilized the Middle East for the sake of personal aggrandizement by trumping his father's accomplishments. On top of that, Obama isn't going to be so monumentally ignorant as to be surprised by the notion that not all Muslims are of the same theological and ethnic divisions, and or that destabilizing the area would not bring about democracy, but bloody anarchy.

You can give part of the credit for Iraq to Clinton, who I'm sure you voted for and loved with the same intensity as you do Obama......

You can't seriously expect Clinton to shoulder the blame of the Iraq disaster with Bush! All he did was bomb Saddam Hussein's WMD's out of existence (though it was Bush who claimed those very same weapons were the reason for his invasion).

It was Clinton's intelligence budget cuts that crippled our ability to gather the intel to make an accurate enough determination on whether or not Saddam had WMD's. What tune would you be singing now if he had WMD's and unleashed them on a neighboring country? Let me guess: "Bush was a coward. He had the world's most capable military and refused to conquer Iraq and remove that madman Saddam and save all those lives!"
Retort all you want but that's it for me in this thread.

Cutting the intelligence budget was doubtlessly a mistake made by the Clinton administration, but that was done only because we figured that our primary enemy, the Soviet Union and international communism, had self destructed, and there was a very real belief we didn't need such a huge spook apparatus, anymore. No one was expecting such a meteoric rise of militarized Islamic fundamentalism. But I have no doubt that Clinton would have rectified that had 9/11 happened under his watch.
As far as Bush senior's motivation for not taking out Saddam Hussein in the First Gulf War being cowardice - in all likelihood, probably not. Rather, he was motivated by his experience as CIA director (and his past affiliation with the agency even before that, which he till this day denies), which told him had Hussein been removed by us, he'd have had the ethnic and sectarian break up of Iraq, which his son later presided over.

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26 Sep 2014, 5:16 pm

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As far as Bush senior's motivation for not taking out Saddam Hussein in the First Gulf War being cowardice - in all likelihood, probably not. Rather, he was motivated by his experience as CIA director (and his past affiliation with the agency even before that, which he till this day denies), which told him had Hussein been removed by us, he'd have had the ethnic and sectarian break up of Iraq, which his son later presided over.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I[/youtube]

Wonder whatever happened to this guy.

As for Saddam's WMDs, we gave them to him that's why we thought he had them. We gave him the gas to use against the Iranians that he used against the Kurds, he invaded Kuwait because he believed we gave him the go ahead.

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26 Sep 2014, 5:42 pm

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What happened to that guy? That evil old bastard who became Vice President ate him.

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26 Sep 2014, 6:46 pm

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What happened to that guy? That evil old bastard who became Vice President ate him.

I think he ate this guy too

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc[/youtube]

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26 Sep 2014, 9:50 pm

Jacoby wrote:

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What happened to that guy? That evil old bastard who became Vice President ate him.

I think he ate this guy too

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc[/youtube]

Goes to show you how party ideology changes a person. Mitt Romney had been a progressive Republican with healthcare and whatnot, but had turned far right to court the the party crowd - and a lot of good it did him.

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26 Sep 2014, 11:13 pm

^

Let's not forget that Democratic senator from Illinois, the constitutional law professor who promised to reign in executive power, avoid wars of choice, and run the most transparent administration in history, among other things. What ever happened to him?

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26 Sep 2014, 11:27 pm

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Circumstances ate him.

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27 Sep 2014, 3:08 pm

I just got a message that this thread no longer exists. Wait a minute - - DID RAPTOR SEND ME THIS MESSAGE?! !?!?! :lol:

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27 Sep 2014, 5:09 pm

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Circumstances ate him.

Such as?

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27 Sep 2014, 5:14 pm

Isn't there any way to repost without making people suffer with those awful images of Cheney and Bush,I feel queasy....

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27 Sep 2014, 5:59 pm

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Circumstances ate him.

Such as?

Such as a misused spying domestic spying program that was launched by Bush, but continues to exist because there are some legitimately bad people who want to hurt the rest of us.
Such as Obama trying to rid himself of the tar baby of the Middle East created by Bush, but because of circumstances can not extradite himself from it.
I don't defend Obama administration's lack of transparency, but then again, I don't seriously know of a single administration that was.

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28 Sep 2014, 11:53 pm

That's a 2% increase from similar polls in 2012. The South, breadbasket, and mountains are getting increasingly tired of Washington's ever increasing grab of powers that should be left to the states.

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28 Sep 2014, 11:56 pm

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That's a 2% increase from similar polls in 2012. The South, breadbasket, and mountains are getting increasingly tired of Washington's ever increasing grab of powers that should be left to the states.

What, like providing healthcare to those citizens too poor or are prevented by preexisting conditions to get coverage, or for defending the rights of ethnic or sexual minorities? Yeah, that evil, intrusive federal government looking out for people who those red states won't look out for!

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29 Sep 2014, 12:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

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That's a 2% increase from similar polls in 2012. The South, breadbasket, and mountains are getting increasingly tired of Washington's ever increasing grab of powers that should be left to the states.

What like providing healthcare to those citizens too poor or disabled to get coverage, or for defending the rights of ethnic or sexual minorities? Yeah, that evil, intrusive federal government looking out for people who those red states won't look out for!

how about enslaving us into debt, spying its own citizens, prosecuting whistle blowers, and waging illegal war?

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29 Sep 2014, 12:02 am

Jacoby wrote:

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That's a 2% increase from similar polls in 2012. The South, breadbasket, and mountains are getting increasingly tired of Washington's ever increasing grab of powers that should be left to the states.

how about enslaving us into debt, spying its own citizens, prosecuting whistle blowers, and waging illegal war?

As a big part of that list had happened under Bush's administration, the Obama haters wanting to secede usually don't complain about that - or imagine it was all Obama's doing.
Besides, that list of government offenses don't include disrespecting states rights, which is supposed to justify secession..

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29 Sep 2014, 12:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

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AntDog wrote:

That's a 2% increase from similar polls in 2012. The South, breadbasket, and mountains are getting increasingly tired of Washington's ever increasing grab of powers that should be left to the states.

how about enslaving us into debt, spying its own citizens, prosecuting whistle blowers, and waging illegal war?

Obama has double down on all those, you can't blame Bush. He's is an awful president.

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