25 Percent Of Americans Open To Secession

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Sure, he was born of a Kenyan father and has a Muslim sounding name - and he's black. It's those first two things that feed ammunition to racists.
As for questioning the patriotism of your opponents - when they want to split off from the country for trivial reasons, such as the President's race, or how tax money is spent (such as for caring for the needy) - you damn betcha I call their loyalty into question. None of the reasons why people advocating secession today fills the bill of real tyranny, while many given reasons are actually anti-freedom, such as opposition to LGBT rights, while still others, such as belief that Republican evangelicals are going to be rounded up into FEMMA camps and gassed, are not even based in reality.
As for secession being as American as Apple pie - America rebelled against British taxation because the colonists had had no voice in being taxed. That, and while the founders often referred to themselves as British, the truth was British rule was so lax for such a long time that the taxation might as well have been coming from a foreign country. The only other secessionist revolt had arisen in defense of slavery - hardly the stuff of American liberty.

Sure, Bush and Clinton had been attacked mercilessly, but never was the legitimacy of their citizenship, let alone of heir right to hold the highest office, ever questioned. And while Bush and Clinton were often attacked for actions they had either taken, such as Bush's illegal wars, or for personal behavior, such as Clinton's infidelities, Obama is very differently being attacked for who he is (no, I'm not including his policies such as the spying scandal, etc., as those criticisms have legitimacy). And in my defense, I don't paint all Obama's opponents as racists, just those idiots who are obvious in their racism, such as the birthers. It's such as these who fill the ranks of Neo-Confederates and other Neo-secessionists.
And if your sick of reading what I have to say in my posts, then I invite you not to read them ever again.

Yeah if you wanna risk getting shot by the pigs, political activism is a great idea....I mean for f***s sake they want to change up school curriculum to make what they teach about history even less accurate to 'encourage patriotism' was how it was worded in a couple articles I read people are protesting it but I bet eventually they'll give up, changes will be made and after a while no one will care anymore. Just seems like anything that could lead to change is very risky, then again for someone who feels suicidal much of the time I guess that bit shouldn't bother me.

Or maybe the people who would compose the movement for change would start disagreeing and fighting among themselves and losing sight of the bigger picture like that occupy movement.

Well, you know what they say, that nothing worthwhile is easy. Some things are even worth dying for.
And while the OCW movement was motivated by a rightful cause, because it was thrown together haphazardly without any real goal or even a plan in mind, it was unfortunately doomed to fail.

Look at my post again, and find the parts where I address this exact thing, more than once. In fact, you can go back and look at all the other times I've addressed it over the years, mostly to you, not that I think that will help at this point.



See above.



Point to one post on WP attacking Obama for his race, I'll wait. Note that this has not stopped you from treating all criticism of Obama as racially based until you're challenged, at which point you walk it back, as I pointed out in the post you're responding to.

What am I supposed to make of this repeated inability to comprehend even simple points, or even honestly acknowledge what is said, especially when it's in the written format and not subject to being misheard? As far as I can tell, there are two answers to that question, and you wouldn't like either of them.



So, you'll happily ignore me as I spend years and thousands of posts insulting and misrepresenting your political beliefs, and spouting off about topics which I know nothing but you're an expert on in what amounts to your social circle? When I repeatedly misrepresent you personally out of malice and/or ignorance? You can't even abide honest criticism of your politics, why would I put up with misinformed, if I give you the benefit of the doubt, crap that you regularly post about mine?

I'm going to open it up: Can anyone here post an example from WP of someone attacking Obama because of his race? Any example at all?

I was not talking about points you had made in the past, I was talking about racist jerks.
And I never said outright that you insult or misrepresent my views out of malice... but if the shoe fits...

There are reams of examples among the Stormfront crowd.
The song Barack The Magic Negro clearly ridicules the President's race. As a side note, the word "Negro" has since been used in public and polite society when they actually mean n*gger.
Rush Limbaugh and other popular right wing conservative talk show hosts have made thinly veiled racist attacks on Obama, in the past claiming he was going to give aid to Africa and inner city blacks because of their color.
Conservative websites running articles critical of Obama (like they'd run something positive) have comment sections filled with the most virulent racism, not only directed at him, but also his family.
A southern politician referred to Obama as a "raghead in the White House."
Again, the whole birther idiocy - which is not just the realm of crackpots living in their parent's basements, but also conservative elected officials - is thinly veiled racism (no, this would not be happening if he was white).
There are tons of other examples, but I am about to eat breakfast, sh*t, shave, shower, then go out shopping.
My liberal and progressive brothers and sister, please help me with more examples!

None of these are from WP, you got nothing. Cherry picking examples of implied racism proves nothing.

The comment section of every website on the internet is fill with racism, go look at Youtube some time. Internet trolling is what it is, the taboo of race in this country makes it funny to them and I don't think it is an accurate portrait of society.

The birther stuff happened because of the fact that his father is Kenyan and the fact he grew up outside of the country in I believe Indonesia until he like 10 or 11 and then because of the fact that he didn't produce his birth certificate until quite some time after the controversy began. Really have to stretch to say that's about race, if his father was American from the South Side of Chicago and his name was Barry Washington or something then there wouldn't be any controversy or questions about his birthplace or religion. Obama wasn't the first president where this called into question either, none of the previous presidents were anything besides white last time I checked. Chester A. Arthur was accused of being born in Canada, John F. Kennedy faced questions about his allegiance to the Pope because of his Catholic faith, there are plenty of other nasty insinuations made be political opponents in our history. Nowadays it is actually quite a bit less nasty than it was during the early years of our country, the insinuation about Andrew Jackson was basically that he was a bigamist and that his wife was a whore.

Also the whole "magic negro" thing is a movie trope coined by Spike Lee about black stock characters who assist the white protagonists with magical powers or insight akin to a "noble savage". The song is satirizes the whole debate about Barrack authenticity as a black man which was a real debate amongst Democrats and the black community from the perspective Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson both were making comments at the time along these lines, likewise as we heard from Harry Reid that he liked Obama and thought he was a viable candidate because he "was light skinned" and "spoke with no discernible negro dialect, unless he wanted to". The use of term negro or colored isn't pejorative without being used in that context which is clearly satirical, they are archaic and perhaps culturally out of touch or insensitive but it isn't a racist term in the same way n****r is. I suppose you can try to insinuate from the use of archaic terms or being culturally out of touch or even insensitive with archaic racist beliefs but to me it isn't evidence of anything outside of the context it was used.

Okay, I admit I made an F up, when being so incensed to answer Dox, I missed the quantitative WP. So no, after getting so fired up, I just assumed he was claiming no one ever made any racist comments about the President.
In defense of WP, I doubt most Aspies, considering what we've all grown up with, would say anything so despicably racist about the President - which is why I missed the WP reference.
Regarding the Magic Negro thing - while Spike Lee was having a bit of supportive fun with the song, Limbaugh and company were not, so I could care less who first used the song - it's the context that matters.
While other Presidents have gone though sh*t, I doubt it has gotten to the fervor of what Obama is facing. Did much of anyone really believe Arthur was born in Canada? Did much of anyone seriously believe Kennedy was taking his marching orders from the Vatican?
As for the word "Negro" not being used as a pejorative term today - yes it is. As I said, white supremacist and nationalist types know they can't get away with saying n*gger in polite society, so they say negro, as it's an older, out of use term from when blacks were expected to be submissive to whites. In fact, in one forum discussing Germanic antiquities, which unfortunately had been taken over by racists, one such called me a "negro lover."

Negro can be pejorative sure but in context as any word can, it isn't on its own. One can say black or African-American in a pejorative way as well. I wasn't alive for it but I have to imagine we hear n****r more nowadays than we did in the 50/60s, the word has evolved and it has been given so much more power. In the context of the 'Barrack the Magic Negro' song, I don't believe it is racist. The song is clearly satirical in light of an LA Times article liking Obama to the 'magic negro' trope from the perspective of Al Sharpton. Limbaugh is an irl troll, he's doing this to make money but I do think you should give him a little more credit than him just giggling about Obama being called a negro.

http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-ehrenstein ... story.html

JFK definitely had to answer for his Catholic faith which was at one time widely considered foreign and un-American, it seems odd now obviously but it was definitely a real thing. The revival of the KKK in the 1920s which it was at its largest was largely in part because of anti-Catholicism and immigration of non-white protestants. I think America of today is much less prejudice than the post-reconstruction era or 50s/60s during the Civil Rights movement that Chester Arthur and JFK belonged to respectively, the difference now is we have new ways of communicate with each other. I think you'd have a better point saying that most criticism of Obama is partisan in nature and without real solid ideological foundation but one that lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones I guess. Do white supremacists dislike Obama? Probably but I don't they are culturally or politically relevant. I don't think Obama is judged any more harshly than Bush or Clinton because of the color of his skin, the country is just worst shape than it was during their presidencies.

The birther stuff I don't think is covertly racial, I think Ted Cruz will get the same questions thrown his way too and he actually was born in Canada. How one determines a natural born citizen isn't 100% clear to a lot of people, many define it as someone born within the US instead of just to a US national. Obama not releasing his birth certificate for so long made it seem like there may of fire along with that smoke, naturally a partisan person may be more inclined to believe their their opponent is illegitimate or any negative connotation that may be thrown that way.

Kraichgauer, do you by chance have a reading disability of some sort in addition to AS? I'm not trying to be insulting, but it's crossed my mind more than once when arguing with you, and in this thread alone you've either missed the point of or completely misread virtually every one of my posts, and I'm not quite sure how I should react to that, as I don't want to speculate or make presumptions either way.

You know, if I do, I have no knowledge of it - - I had no inkling that I had Asperger's until four years ago when my daughter had been diagnosed with autism, and I started reading up on the subject, and realized I needed an official diagnosis - so I suppose anything's possible. But I personally chalk it up to letting myself get too personally offended when I shouldn't, and not letting myself read as closely as I should.