Anyone here who sees the unseen?

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Like angels, jinn, faeries, etc. Do you see them?

Do you sometimes hear the dead murmuring in their endless sleep? Do you feel the breath of Creation on the back of your neck?

I saw an angel once. Visibly, I didn't simply feel its presence. The benevolent spirits are always welcome guests in my home.

I do not. Hearing the dead murmuring in their endless sleep sounds like horrific nightmare fuel. I also wouldn't want to feel any breath on the back of my neck so I'm glad that I don't. No faeries angels or jinns either. It would be quite disturbing if I did.

I've seen ghosts and communicated with them and other types of spirits quite often. I do hoodoo and some other types witchery. I'm actually the hoodoo woman in this town and people come to me for spells, readings, channeling the dead, etc.

For those of you who don't believe in it, thats fine with me if you don't. I have no desire to make you believe in it, but don't be putting me down for my beliefs, especially when they don't concern or effect you at all. Live and let live why don't we?

I speak to Áes, I speak to the trees, i speak to the streams, i speak to rocks - everything has a spirit and a voice that anyon can listen to. i dont see spirits as frequent as listening or speaking with them but ive seen them too. its nothing special, anyone can see if they just look.

If I had these experiences I would book myself into a neurologist to see if anything life
threatening was causing these hallucinations

After my father died, there was a period of some 6 months or more during which I'd hear a few taps on my bedroom door. It would wake me up at night, and more often if I was trying to go to sleep I'd hear it and it would take me forever it seemed to doze back off. I heard it most often at night, but every now and then, like on weekends, I'd hear it in the middle of the day

There was no explanation for it, either. It never happened before my dad died, and it happened less frequently over time and eventually stopped altogether. Later on my mom would admit she'd heard strange sounds as well. There was one time MUCH later on my wife heard it, too, when we visited my mother.

I don't really know whether ghosts wander the earth after death, though I suppose anything is possible. I honestly can't explain what happened.

I was also involved in a pretty horrific car accident some years later. The first thing that was notable about it was this INTENSE sense of deja vu, and I remembered having dreamed about it happening?as it was happening. It was so strange, like time slowed almost to a stop. I remember thinking I was about to die and just for a moment accepting that I was going to die. The second thing was I heard someone or something tell me I was NOT going to die, that everything would be just fine. Open up the door and just step out. I was just a passenger, and I know it wan't my friend who told me to get out. My friend had no idea how he got out of the car, either, though I remember everything about how I got out. As best we can tell, he was thrown out of the car, perhaps through the windshield. The way the car flipped, we can't understand why he didn't land underneath the car, and that thing was completely flattened when it was all over. I mean, nobody just calmly steps out of an out-of-control vehicle.

So, yeah?I may not have been 100% convinced of such things as guardian angels, but I have NO doubt whatsoever that my friend and I were pulled from that car. Wrecking the car might have been an accident?surviving it certainly wasn't.

I have seen people who say they communicate with spirits, but funny thing, if you tell a Dr. you have these visions, you are likely to be evaluated for mental illness. If you do not act on what these visions communicate, you might be allowed to go home. My Psychiatrist always asks if I "see or hear" things. I would change the terminology from "see and/or hear" these things, to "perceiving" these things. If someone told me such thing as what you describe, I would just smile and roll my eyes. Perhaps you see and/or hear, what you want to see and/or hear.

ive been battling brain cancer past two years and onlly recently get in remission, and during that time i tried seekin help for problems i was havinng (not about spirits but depresion and things), and when i mention i experience these things, yeah, they thought i was nuts. they humiliated me and made me duobt myself and who i was at worst posible time and gave me medicines that onlly made things worse. i would still be a wreck right now tryin to kill mysellf all the time if it hadnt been for a vision almost year ago that made me feel some confidence in mysellf and made me feel adamant i was the only one who could ever really help myself overcome anything, whether that was cancer or suposedly 'mental illness.' so now i am here a year later, completely off of any psychotropics and more confident and strong than ive ever been in my life, no thanks to a "doctor" who make a living off of a persons misery and weakness. i dont care what others think of what i tell them of my world - they have no way of knowing what and why i experience the things i do, just as i cannot go beyond myself and experience whatever world they are living. but i like to think the world ive always lived, where everything lives and has magick, has more right and reality to it than a world where you are made to feel you are defective and wrong about the only thing you will ever be able to truly know, your own experience and perception.

Which is why I'm very careful who I confide in. When you're a deeply spiritual person living in this cynical secular world, there are certain things you quickly learn to keep your mouth shut about.

Not to be rude, insensitive or unsympathetic to your suffering, but people in our society like to do what you have just done, which is to try to exploit your trauma as a way to support something you believe and wish others to agree. Your illness does not give credibility to what you experience. People are supposed to shy away from disagreeing because of your suffering. Noone humiliated you but yourself. It was not the Dr.s or nurses or anyone else. I have my own reality also, but I do not try to justify it to anyone by hiding behind human suffering. All human beings suffer. No human being escapes it. The reality we each create for ourselves is to think that for some reason, only our own suffering validates anything about life. That is the greatest delusion imaginable.

This shows exactly that definitions of mental illness are used as a cultural force of oppression.

In this case violating freedom of religion. Look what a double standard it is not to evaluate for mental illness the historical characters claimed to have met and engaged with a crucified man who had come back to life and escaped from a sealed stone tomb.

At my aspie diagnosis the doc said it was routine to ask "do you ever see things that don't seem real?" If you take the question literally, luckily you don't have to tell him about any ordinary unremarkable ghosts you have seen, when they seem perfectly real to both your senses and your reason.

That's right, you should feel perfectly free to proliferate your delusions and nonsense.

But it does affect anyone that you lie to...

I think there's nothing necessarily immoral about what you do, but you need to be giving people great big disclaimers ("I don't know if I can actually contact your loved one, but..."), not accepting payment, and making sure people receive proper help and guidance too, particularly if they come to you with medical issues.

Not sure if you are aware but just to clarify, in many countries symptoms of Asperger's syndrome are still seen as psychosis and medication is given for the wrong illness. The poster above is not from the United States or Europe. This was also a common issue earlier in the United States, before more became known about higher functioning Autism.

And also, in many of these countries there is great stigma associated with Mental illness and people are treated poorly in the medical field by professionals as an indirect and direct consequence of the cultural implications of mental illness. Yes, it is still bad here, but nothing compared to other countries.

So what I am saying here, is what the poster says above can and does likely have merit, perhaps not where you and I are from, but very likely where he is from.

More than likely he was administered a dopamine reducing drug as anti-psychotic drug, and this can be the worst case possible scenario for some cases of Autism, as there is actually a deficiency rather than excess of dopamine, where truly science has no way of knowing, as there is no actual test to test for levels of dopamine in a live human being.

In that case, it is no wonder that the poster felt suicidal. It's a common issue on the Autism Spectrum per mis-diagnoses of problems.

And yes, while this particular forum is highly skewed with analytical thinking folks; higher functioning autism, overall, has very high levels of schizotypal 'type' thinking as indicated by personality tests in studies. So while you might not hear much about believing in spiritual stuff here in the PPR section where folks who are anything but science majors are often intellectually bullied for such type of thinking, there are plenty of threads on this site about psychic abilities, seeing UFO's, and ghosts, and almost any type of what is categorized as the schizotypal personality trait category as imaginary. And no, that is not necessarily mental illness, in itself, as a relatively substantial portion of the population, overall, has schizotypal patterns of thinking and experiencing life.

It's a neurological difference and also associated with believing in conspiracy theories of almost any kind, as indicated recently in the New England Journal of Medicine.

There are at least a thousand threads on this site, where folks think the Autism Speaks organization is out to exterminate autistic folks like a Nazi organization. The absolute height of schizotypal thinking, as that relates to 'mob' conspiracy theories, per the New England Journal of Medicine. And no, you will not likely see them, in this section, as they obviously will be ridiculed personally as such, if they try to do that here. I understand why they do it, so I understand they cannot help it, and approach the issue tactfully instead of as a personal affront.

Different ways of thinking for different ways of folks. But to understand them, is to understand people, and interact respectfully as such. Apparently you do not understand that potential here, so I am attempting to provide a bridge to that, if you will. No I am not attempting to prove I am right or wrong That's the job of the New England Journal of Medicine, and Medical ethics in general, in countries still living in the dark ages of psychiatry and medicine in general, in many ways.

i wasnt trying to exploit anything and i wasnt asking for your sympathy, like i would want such emotional investment from som random person on the internet. i was sharing my experience, of yuor so called "doctors" who you sugested somehow have more of a say and are mor correct about what i experience than i do myself, which i have decided after how they treated me and on my own line of logic is complete bullocks and im not going put up with it. like i said, i am prety sure if i hadnt cut all ties with it and helped myself, thy would have driven me realy insane and i would be just one more broken zombie crawling to them for medicine, or i wouldnt be alive right now, and who the f-are you to say that isnt the case? you a clairvoyant who saw all the possible paths of my future or something? you going to throw meaningless statistics at me that basically do the same thing, present probabilities that may or may not apply? i didnt want to be hospitalised at points, so how the f- did i humiliate myself with thatt other than i was dumb and naive as f- to buy into the lie of modern psychiatry and try to let them "help" me.

your experiences may be different, you might love psychiatry (the mention of having a psychiatrist seems to speak thus) and it may actually work for you, which is all well and good - you do whats right for you however else anyone feels about it - so how bout you back off instead of telling me what i did and did not experience and claiming im using my suffering to validate what i think is right when suffering was just part o my experience to help me accept my grip on reality - the sheer insane notion that someone knows better about my experiences than i do myself, which is what caused my suffering, is what i was driving at.

and ill have everyone know i am highly educated, even if my writing doesnt look it (i call it the stroke/"i-dont-give-a-damn" mode o typing) and even if most westerners like to think anyone with a "primitive" worldview must certainly be unenlightened or uneducated, i have a college level education in biology, with a focus in conservation biology since its one of most holistic you can get in the natural sciences (and yes, im a very holistic/big-picture thinker, which has made even question the validity of my autism diagnosis as that is known more for analytical/detail thinking). i used to be a narcissitic bastard who naively thought the scientific process could solve everything. but after i went through my education and continue to expand it, made me realise that, like i just said, that was horribly naive and that the world is far more complicated than what science can ever say much about, though the models and theories act as good logical references in questions of natural philosophy. besides that science, just one of many worldviews, certainly doesnt give me a right to walk all over and disrespect other people unless they are clearly disrespecting me. logic is the tool i use to try to point out what might be a flaw in someone elses way of seeing or being, and whether i use scientific knowledge or a certain religion or an indigenous system of knowledge as part of my argument all depends on what Im trying to point out about the other persons mode of thought with my logic (and theres different systems of logic and some peoplle are just completely illogical; with nothing really determining whether thats truly right or wrong, if i cant make them see the way i do, i just leave it alone, isnt worth my time or energy and all it does is give me a petty sense of self-satisfaction to have converted someone to my mode of thought).

How, excuse us, do you know it's delusions and nonsense? What is your evidence for it so being?

Avoid using the circular argument that goes:
* hardcore atheism does not believe in this, therefore it must be a delusion
* then because it's a delusion, it's not evidence
* then because it's not evidence, there is no evidence
* then because there is no evidence, hardcore atheism must be right not to believe in it
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