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08 Oct 2014, 11:46 am

I think it would require a disregard for civilian casualties to fight IS, much like IS itself. Part of me wants to see large-scale strategic bombing like WW2, but I have to question this bloodlust and wonder if it would help anyone at all. Executing hundreds of people at a time calls for something in response, but what would actually make a difference?

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08 Oct 2014, 1:19 pm

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Bombing with no regard for the civilians killed by these people, does seem like a pretty unhelpful way to go about it....sure maybe we 'get the terrorists' but are we any better if we just blew up all the people they might have killed/blown up and somehow try to say this was somehow 'defending justice' lol.

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08 Oct 2014, 1:22 pm

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perhaps its time to face up to the enormous elephant in the room, America doesn't give a shiny turd about the Syrians, Iraqis or anyone that dies at the hands of ISIS, all they care about is the black gold and propping up whoever can best facilitate them getting their hands on it.

I don't get why people are so nauseatingly stupid and/or willfully ignorant they can't see this.

That's because the availability of oil actually effects us. It's our lives.

It's a stupid thing to cling to however though, since it will run out and is not a renewable resource...time for the world to move past oil and find better resources to replace it with. Not only that but plenty of methods of collecting said oil(or wars related to collecting oil) certainly are not helping the planet, and the health of the planet effects us...its our lives.

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08 Oct 2014, 7:17 pm

isis is a joke? not if its one of your family thats just been beheaded. stupid statement.

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08 Oct 2014, 9:19 pm

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But it's what underpins all of society as we know it. A society based renewable energy sources would require massive change in our lifestyle, which the majority of people can't and won't accept. If you drive a car, you are asking for war.

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08 Oct 2014, 11:05 pm

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mass bombing of that sort won't help for several reasons-

1- As always, innocent civillians will die unnecessarilly. Not just from explosives but also in long term from cancer and birth complications caused from depleted uranium used in American ordinances (which both happened as a result of Gulf War 2).

2- Its a propaganda disaster. It will only serve to create more anti western belligerence in general, and burn bridges with arab countries we need to work with.

3-- it will radicalise those arabs who have paid the price for said bombing campaign.

4- it will make it easier for radicals operating in the west to recruit from otherwise moderate muslims in our countries.

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09 Oct 2014, 2:26 pm

^^Rationally I understand these things you've pointed out, but after watching some IS propaganda I couldn't help but contemplate them being smashed and incinerated by B-52s...

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09 Oct 2014, 8:03 pm

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^^Rationally I understand these things you've pointed out, but after watching some IS propaganda I couldn't help but contemplate them being smashed and incinerated by B-52s...

Well, take those thoughts and put them in the context of how it was the USA and friends that backed ISIS and the FSA in the first place against Ba'athist Syria. The USA can't or won't hold a consistent position, so its reliability as middle east policeman is completely discredited. It needs to step back and let the arabs sort it out with minimal interference on our part. It would be an idiotic waste of lives of western combatants, as well, whenever we inevitably get drawn into another boots on the ground scenario just like in 2003 and in Afghanistan.

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09 Oct 2014, 8:27 pm

^^ So because they benefited from US investment, the US should not intervene? Its funny; after two wars in Iraq for oil and strategic positioning, a genuinely horrible threat has emerged and no-one wants to get their hands dirty. But we just can't stop talking about possible IS threats in our home countries.
"Iraq War 3: The Revenge" might be a tough sell, but who else has the muscle to smoke these monkeys? "Let the arabs sort it out", sure... The Arabs don't want to engage IS because they pay lip service to sharia in their own countries. The Turks want IS to eradicate the Kurds, Israel and the Saudis can't wait for them to attack Iran, and, sadly, the USA wants IS to "further degrade Assad's capabilities".
Meanwhile, everyone within arm's length of IS gets it in the neck.

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09 Oct 2014, 11:27 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1mfxGd0YCw[/youtube]Luke Skywalkers encounter with ISIS!

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09 Oct 2014, 11:34 pm

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I agree that doing nothing is a bad decision but a better compromise to western invasion might even be to let a UN coalition of BRICS nations to step in. Russian, or even Chinese and Indian forces are less likely to be percieved as 'evil imperialist infidels'. Meanwhile, the USA could be helping by arming the RIGHT SIDE this time, ie the secular muslim nations fighting ISIS. Since ISIS are within spitting distance of the Turkish border, i really doubt that Turkey is still singing ISIS's praises.

Of course, the USA will never agree to this because they are afraid of losing the oil and the Chinese and evil Ivan showing America how its done and would throw their toys out of their imperialist pram.

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09 Oct 2014, 11:37 pm

^^^ If ISIS starts to start trouble in Pakistan though China and India might get involved since its a border country to both countries. Also if ISIS starts an uprising with the Uighurs in west China the Chinese government will come and execute every one of them whether they are innocent or not. It would be no surprise more incidents like this can happen.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbor55Q9G7E[/youtube]

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09 Oct 2014, 11:40 pm

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^^^ If ISIS starts to start Trrouble in Pakistan though China and India might get involved since its a border country to both countries.

America getting directly involved is like throwing petrol over the flames and is only causing it to me more likely in ISIS reaching Afghanistan/Pakistan. Of course even then they have to go through the Iranians which isn't likely.

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09 Oct 2014, 11:50 pm

I wouldnt be surprised if Iran supported ISIS and let them through since Iran and Iraq are enemies hence the old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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10 Oct 2014, 12:59 am

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I wouldnt be surprised if Iran supported ISIS and let them through since Iran and Iraq are enemies hence the old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Iran is one of the few countries willing to directly fight ISIS, they're in Syria right now fighting them.

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10 Oct 2014, 12:38 pm

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I wouldnt be surprised if Iran supported ISIS and let them through since Iran and Iraq are enemies hence the old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

No. The middle east isn't some kind of monolith that are working collaboratively against the west. Internally, they contempt each other even more than nations within Europe do each other.

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